Lenmcharristar 9,727 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Berserk said: You clearly are very ignorant on the matter. The answer you need to know is that not all Palestinians are Hamas. You can't expect innocent people to suffer because of the actions of extremists, Israel should be condemned for acting unlawfully, which they clearly are. The palestinians voted hamas into power so they are in a way guilty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dogmandont 9,802 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Berserk said: You can't condemn the innocent majority for the actions of the minority. Agreed. In a perfect world that's how it would work but that isn't the case, never has been never will be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,460 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Berserk said: You clearly are very ignorant on the matter. The answer you need to know is that not all Palestinians are Hamas. You can't expect innocent people to suffer because of the actions of extremists, Israel should be condemned for acting unlawfully, which they clearly are. Not all Germans were Nazi's.. what's your point ...the majority of Palestinians support Hamas...have you read the HAMAS manifesto that they were voted into power on? It states their will be no solution and calls for Jihad against Israel, its terrible that innocent people get caught up in the crossfire but what options are left when all diplomatic routes are closed from the off by Hamas? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 46 minutes ago, Berserk said: Would it be ok for kids to protest about the killing of innocent people, of course. Do you disagree? Hamas have already said no Israelis are innocent, the interview was broad cast on sky news Live the other day, they consider all young people including small kids as future Israelis solders and all old people are former Israelis soldiers. So are you aggreging that this statement from Hamas is correct? and we should all support the Palestinian people as they are the ones being hard done by in your mind. Now bear in mind it was the Palestinian people who voted in Hamas, Israel has told the people in the North to Leave, Hamas are forcing them to stay, Why do you think that is, Just my view but they have no compassion for anyone other than there own cause, and are willing to sacrifice as many civilians from either side to achieve there aims. The same a s most militant groups. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditchman 2,760 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 i rekon once the Gaza folk have moved south....the IDF will lock down gaza city....and make seige to it.....drone flights with infa red will show targets at night and then they will shell that area..any movement of Hamas heading for the outside....they will be cut down..could go on for months the IDF would be mad to enter the concete and rat warren place that is gaza city.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,727 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, Berserk said: We voted Labour in to power, so are we guilty for commiting war crimes in tbe Middle East? No and blair should be done for war crimes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,460 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Berserk said: So, in your view killing millions of innocent Germans would be justified? You didn't know that Hamas was voted in because it was basically a case of the people voting against the corrupt Fatah. Fatah wanted negotiation with Israel while HAMAS wanted to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, they had a ding-dong and HAMAS came out on top and here we are today Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FOXHUNTER 5,021 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Berserk said: Yes, and it's wrong that innocent people have to bear the brunt of heinous acts on both sides. That's the way the cookie crumbles . As long as we stay out of it let them destroy each other 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,727 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Berserk said: You see the hypocrisy in your post? No because i didnt vote Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Berserk said: See above, the 2006 elections were basically a vote against Fatah. Nobody really expected Hamas to win the election. Fatah was extremely corrupt, it left the Palestinians bankrupt. Let's try and not band the innocent people of Palestine and Hamas as one when it isn't the case. Unlike Hamas are doing,? and i believe all Hamas are Palestinian's. its no different to Afghanistan when the people outnumbered the Taliban 7 to 1 but just dropped there arms and walked away. If The people do not support Hamas they can sort that themselves, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FOXHUNTER 5,021 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Berserk said: I'm wondering if you think that about WW1 and WW2? We need to learn from Afghanistan, mind our own business and let them crack on 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Berserk said: I think you are massively underestimating how difficult that is for the people. Do you agree that the Palestinian's in the North out number the Hamas fighters there? Do you agree there's weapons in every house there, Why are they are not willing to take up arms to save themselves?, or is it that the majority actually do support them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 23,215 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) The Jews are an Old Testament people who probably still believe in an angry and vengeful god, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, unlike the Christian god of the New Testament, turn the other cheek, etc. The Israelis probably think along the lines of Amalric, when asked during the Albigensian Crusade prior to the massacre of Beziers how would they tell the difference between Cathars and Catholics..........He replied "kill them all, god will know his own" So, I doubt if they are in any mood after the massacre of innocent babies, children , old women, that they will be worried about Hamas supporting Palestinians and non Hamas supporters. They'll leave it to god to sort it out...... Cheers. Edited October 13, 2023 by chartpolski 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,460 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Berserk said: The people voted for Hamas out of hate for Fatah, understandable since they bankrupted it's people. And, since Hamas have been in power, don't you think it might be a tad difficult for Palestinians wanting peace to air their views? They are a bankrupt state regardless, Iran controls and funds Palestine, Iran are using Palestinians as pawns in their own holy war against the Jews that's the truth of it , with this latest attack they have given the Israelis no other option than it ends now , conflict is never nice or fair. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Berserk said: Is that a serious question? Come on. its a valid question. If Hamas is so bad why are they still in power, Same as the Taliban. Come on, you can join the dots and link it to perhaps a Religious ideology. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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