Rural reaction

[Gypsydog94 4,607]

Anybody seen much about this. Popped up on my Facebook this morning. Hope they get the support they need 

Rural Reaction

WWW.RURALREACTION.UK

 

[Gypsydog94 4,607]

 

[terryd 8,501]

Sounds good and if they play it right and appeal to these new folks in the countryside that know nothing about the countryside. The carrot nibbling badger lovers as well as our selves that might give them the numbers 

[Roy64 3]

Same chap on the TVs other night said that the Hunting ban has lead to a massive decline in rural foxes ( due in part to the shooting of them I assume) and that the shooting of foxes has a 50% wounding rate.

How the hell he can know that is beyond me.

It remains to be seen what this groups motives are and I will  reserve my judgement for now.

 

Edited September 30, 2023 by Roy64

[FOXHUNTER 5,021]

1 hour ago, Roy64 said:

Same chap on the TVs other night said that the Hunting ban has lead to a massive decline in rural foxes ( due in part to the shooting of them I assume) and that the shooting of foxes has a 50% wounding rate.

How the hell he can know that is beyond me.

It remains to be seen what this groups motives are and I will  reserve my judgement for now.

 

50 % wounding rate ffs ...are the shooters blind.

Where do these morons get there stats from.

 

[DIDO.1 22,844]

1 minute ago, FOXHUNTER said:

50 % wounding rate ffs ...are the shooters blind.

Where do these morons get there stats from.

 

I think 50% of foxes shot at with shotguns probably get peppered 

[mC HULL 12,896]

2 hours ago, Roy64 said:

Same chap on the TVs other night said that the Hunting ban has lead to a massive decline in rural foxes ( due in part to the shooting of them I assume) and that the shooting of foxes has a 50% wounding rate.

How the hell he can know that is beyond me.

It remains to be seen what this groups motives are and I will  reserve my judgement for now.

 

id say there spot on there’s a lot less fox now but it’s habitat making land good for fox they don’t do now no income 

[paulus 26]

For sure the hunting ban opened up a lot of land to shooters who had no chance of getting on there whilst the hunt were running on it. Yes Thermal imaging and night vision scopes have also increased the amount they shoot. But equally the land is being developed at a rate that has never before been seen in this country. Fox`s adapt and as there habitats change so do they. I went out one night around here with Simoman off here, that day the Hunt had been out on neighbouring land, we counted 7 fox`s in one field alone plus god knows how many others that night, There not daft and soon adapt. 

[Chaff 3,622]

15 minutes ago, paulus said:

For sure the hunting ban opened up a lot of land to shooters who had no chance of getting on there whilst the hunt were running on it. Yes Thermal imaging and night vision scopes have also increased the amount they shoot. But equally the land is being developed at a rate that has never before been seen in this country. Fox`s adapt and as there habitats change so do they. I went out one night around here with Simoman off here, that day the Hunt had been out on neighbouring land, we counted 7 fox`s in one field alone plus god knows how many others that night, There not daft and soon adapt. 

7 in a field they are adapting to get shot if you're that way inclined, I know an estate that was teeming with all wild life, which we had permission and we would ferret it every winter. Well the keeper retired a new one started he turned out to be an avid shooter and well he doing a good job particularly with pest control so it seems.

[DIDO.1 22,844]

Anyone using thermal and night vision for fox's needs to have a word with themselves. Were foxes really doing so much damage on the land you shoot on that you need to start using military hardware? People shoot foxes for sport, no other reason, so at least do it in a sporting way. Do people really care about other folks lambs so much that they are prepared to invest thousands in kit and use it for free. 

 

 

[neil82 1,080]

15 hours ago, DIDO.1 said:

Anyone using thermal and night vision for fox's needs to have a word with themselves. Were foxes really doing so much damage on the land you shoot on that you need to start using military hardware? People shoot foxes for sport, no other reason, so at least do it in a sporting way. Do people really care about other folks lambs so much that they are prepared to invest thousands in kit and use it for free. 

 

 

one farmer around here lost 30odd lambs in one month, shooting foxes there is a bit more than sport to him,  all depends on how much damage they are doing and whats sustainable, sport sometimes does not come into it.

[DIDO.1 22,844]

50 minutes ago, neil82 said:

one farmer around here lost 30odd lambs in one month, shooting foxes there is a bit more than sport to him,  all depends on how much damage they are doing and whats sustainable, sport sometimes does not come into it.

I've worked on grouse moors and been around moorland and lowland sheep farms all my life. I understand problems foxes can cause. 25-30 years ago you could go out round here with terriers on a Sunday and know you would bolt foxes, today it's not worth keeping working terriers unless you have hounds or dogs to mark to ground or unless you are prepared to drive and/or take lots of risks......are farmers loosing less lambs? Are ground nesting birds thriving? 

I'd say not. Because wholesale killing of foxes with high tech equipment all year round isn't the answer. A fox killing lambs tends to be one fox that is killing lambs and needs dealing with. Same on a grouse moor. Maybe it's different in other areas but here on the moorland edge you can shoot a thousand foxes before you see one up in the heather. 

I'm a full time pest controller. I can see night vision and thermal being a useful tool in sensitive locations. But huge numbers of lads out regularly, all over YouTube and sporting press......they are shooting for sport, using thousands of pounds worth of kit, and using the reason "pest control innit" as an excuse. When farmers are paying a fair price to these 'pest controllers' for there time and covering their kit and wages then I'd believe they do it for pest control reasons. 

One of the oldest packs of hounds, the farndale, folded. Not because of lack of country or antis. But because they had no foxes at all. And where they did, the fckin keepers wouldn't lift their snares or allow em on before the end of shooting. As someone who's been a keeper and currently has a shoot, my opinion is shooters, and they are just shooters, not fieldsports men, are a curse on fieldsports. With their shortsightedness and their ignorant new obsession with killing foxes at night.

[Greyman 28,618]

Out of likes but good post that

[paulus 26]

9 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

I've worked on grouse moors and been around moorland and lowland sheep farms all my life. I understand problems foxes can cause. 25-30 years ago you could go out round here with terriers on a Sunday and know you would bolt foxes, today it's not worth keeping working terriers unless you have hounds or dogs to mark to ground or unless you are prepared to drive and/or take lots of risks......are farmers loosing less lambs? Are ground nesting birds thriving? 

I'd say not. Because wholesale killing of foxes with high tech equipment all year round isn't the answer. A fox killing lambs tends to be one fox that is killing lambs and needs dealing with. Same on a grouse moor. Maybe it's different in other areas but here on the moorland edge you can shoot a thousand foxes before you see one up in the heather. 

I'm a full time pest controller. I can see night vision and thermal being a useful tool in sensitive locations. But huge numbers of lads out regularly, all over YouTube and sporting press......they are shooting for sport, using thousands of pounds worth of kit, and using the reason "pest control innit" as an excuse. When farmers are paying a fair price to these 'pest controllers' for there time and covering their kit and wages then I'd believe they do it for pest control reasons. 

One of the oldest packs of hounds, the farndale, folded. Not because of lack of country or antis. But because they had no foxes at all. And where they did, the fckin keepers wouldn't lift their snares or allow em on before the end of shooting. As someone who's been a keeper and currently has a shoot, my opinion is shooters, and they are just shooters, not fieldsports men, are a curse on fieldsports. With their shortsightedness and their ignorant new obsession with killing foxes at night.

A good while ago a couple of shooting lads gained permission on land that bordered the land i had at the time, I met them one day and we were discussing fox`s, I told them that there were two resident dog fox`s in the area and told them how to recognise them. I also explained that it would be helpful if they left these two dog fox`s alone as they both controlled there own territories and kept other dog fox`s away, There had been very few problems with fox`s for years in this area. They shot both in there first week, Next the area was inundated with fox`s trying to take over there territories, Gave them more opportunity to shoot more fox`s But that's not pest control or countryside management, Its purely for the sake of killing fox`s. The same as the air gun lads that try to justify shooting young rabbits in the summer Under the guise of pest control. If it was for pest control on a problem area i would have taken as many adults out of the problem area in the winter,