At home with the Furys..

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26 minutes ago, Astanley said:

I admire Ali as much as anyone ,but I just don't get his elevation to sainthood status , like all of us he was flawed ..The nation of Islam in which he was a minister was an anti white organisation ,so much so that it could be considered their sole reason for existing ,( check out their explanation for the origins of the white race )Ali bought into this 100% ,when his "friend " Malcolm x left the nation to join main stream Islam Ali turned his back on him ,he never ,ever mentioned the Vietnam war until after his draft , his "principles "often coincided with what was beneficial to him ,he had a nasty side (maybe not a fault in a fighter ,but if your going to grant him sainthood )that showed itself particularly with Patterson ,Frasier and especially the "what's my name " fight that he purposely dragged out ,I could go on and on ,but it just shows the man was human ,greatest heavyweight ever ,charismatic ,entertaining ,interesting ,but human and certainly no candidate for sainthood or the veneration that is bestowed on him nowadays ...God bless Ali rip 

Yes,I agree with you. He was no saint and he talked crap at times. He was flawed like the rest of us. He was a c**t to both Ernie Terrel and smoking Joe,and,according to a new biography,I havent read,he did a lot of bed hopping with white women. Who cares? We are all grown ups,we know the image and the proclamations are never the same as the private individual.He still remains  a major part of my life and memories,as he does to probably millions of others.

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1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Before Ali, boxers, especially black boxers, were expected to  humbly thank their manager and their promoter and then be quiet. And then came Ali, outspoken,funny, entertaining,political, apparently invincible in the ring and unafraid of anything. He wasn't afraid of the terrifying American establishment or racists with guns. He said what we all felt: that the  Vietnam war was unjust and America was acting like a bullying terrorist nation. He said he was  prepared to die rather than murder brown people like himself thousands of miles away... people who had never done him any harm. 

I think he kind of gave everybody courage. He was an inspiration to us all. His memory brings a smile to all our lips. I loved the man. When he was in  his prime, dancing like a butterfly, stinging like a bee, it was a privilege to watch him.

I am not a fan of tattoes, but I bet there are hundreds of thousands of men of my generation with an Ali tattoo. That in itself, white men commemorating a black American, is pretty remarkable.

Thanks for the memories Ali.

i think jack johnson broke the mould decades before ali? 

so vietnam was unjust but what the yanks are doing in ukraine isn’t ? wtf you smoking mate i’d love some lol

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2 hours ago, mC HULL said:

i think jack johnson broke the mould decades before ali? 

so vietnam was unjust but what the yanks are doing in ukraine isn’t ? wtf you smoking mate i’d love some lol

I don't think escalating the war in Ukraine into a world war involving America and Russia is a great idea. The yanks are funding Ukraine big time.

 

Agree about Jack Johnston, he was Ali's inspiration. To spur Ali on, his trainer Boudini Brown used to shout: "Jack Johnston in the room!"

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13 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Before Ali, boxers, especially black boxers, were expected to  humbly thank their manager and their promoter and then be quiet. And then came Ali, outspoken,funny, entertaining,political, apparently invincible in the ring and unafraid of anything. He wasn't afraid of the terrifying American establishment or racists with guns. He said what we all felt: that the  Vietnam war was unjust and America was acting like a bullying terrorist nation. He said he was  prepared to die rather than murder brown people like himself thousands of miles away... people who had never done him any harm. 

I think he kind of gave everybody courage. He was an inspiration to us all. His memory brings a smile to all our lips. I loved the man. When he was in  his prime, dancing like a butterfly, stinging like a bee, it was a privilege to watch him.

I am not a fan of tattoes, but I bet there are hundreds of thousands of men of my generation with an Ali tattoo. That in itself, white men commemorating a black American, is pretty remarkable.

Thanks for the memories Ali.

I always try to judge athletes purely on their sporting prowess rather than their personality im not really interested in how a fighter is out of the ring or a footballer off the pitch etc.....but Ali of course was just such an iconic figure that you couldnt ignore his views and personality.....i wouldnt go as far as to say i loved him  but certainly have a healthy respect for his achievements in life.......i got to shake his hand at a function in London in the mid 90's just at the time his speech was going....he whispered something to me that to this day i regret not simply saying the word " pardon ".....i didnt understand what it was he said and didnt have the nerve to say " do what mate " to Muhammad Ali ......a friend who was with me believes he said something like " you look like a fighter lets fight " or something along those lines,but the moment had gone and i'll never know.....but like you say he was certainly a remarkable man and without doubt the greatest heavyweight of all time for me.

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12 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Yes,I agree with you. He was no saint and he talked crap at times. He was flawed like the rest of us. He was a c**t to both Ernie Terrel and smoking Joe,and,according to a new biography,I havent read,he did a lot of bed hopping with white women. Who cares? We are all grown ups,we know the image and the proclamations are never the same as the private individual.He still remains  a major part of my life and memories,as he does to probably millions of others.

I dont think you can judge a mans character during his fighting career as you can once they've retired......the height of a fighters fame and popularity is madness where they are getting pulled in every direction and they can become easily influenced,Mike Tyson coming out of nick giving it all the " Praise be to Allah " caper is something he now laughs about.....id be very surprised if the Muhammad Ali mind in the years before he died was the same mind as when he was fighting.

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9 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

I always try to judge athletes purely on their sporting prowess rather than their personality im not really interested in how a fighter is out of the ring or a footballer off the pitch etc.....but Ali of course was just such an iconic figure that you couldnt ignore his views and personality.....i wouldnt go as far as to say i loved him  but certainly have a healthy respect for his achievements in life.......i got to shake his hand at a function in London in the mid 90's just at the time his speech was going....he whispered something to me that to this day i regret not simply saying the word " pardon ".....i didnt understand what it was he said and didnt have the nerve to say " do what mate " to Muhammad Ali ......a friend who was with me believes he said something like " you look like a fighter lets fight " or something along those lines,but the moment had gone and i'll never know.....but like you say he was certainly a remarkable man and without doubt the greatest heavyweight of all time for me.

i think there’s fighters had his number and a few would a beaten him but he was superb without a doubt no quit in him and what a chin and revovery he had 

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3 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

I dont think you can judge a mans character during his fighting career as you can once they've retired......the height of a fighters fame and popularity is madness where they are getting pulled in every direction and they can become easily influenced,Mike Tyson coming out of nick giving it all the " Praise be to Allah " caper is something he now laughs about.....id be very surprised if the Muhammad Ali mind in the years before he died was the same mind as when he was fighting.

same nation of islam that got hold of ali 

tyson was radged at times lol 

pressers saying i’ll f**k you in the arse until you love me still thought he was turning blokes out in jail ffs lol