Pardus 764 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 25 minutes ago, iworkwhippets said: Benson's for beds, 50 per cent off all beds in sale So what you saying yes, prowling panthers or not top shagger? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,003 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, mackem said: Now that we are discussing the topic as adults,does anyone seriously think that in 49 years the UK has an adapted sub-species of leopard that have "shrank" to evolve to the British countryside? No one is saying any species of leopard has shrunk to evolve in the British countryside in 49 years. Unless I've missed something?! very possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 28,976 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 3 minutes ago, shaaark said: No one is saying any species of leopard has shrunk to evolve in the British countryside in 49 years. Unless I've missed something?! very possible. The hypothesis/theory is a smaller subspecies of leopard has evolved in the UK,yes,go back and read the thread,is it possible Shaaark?What was the trigger?I will quite possibly be chatting to a genuine zoologist within the next couple of weeks,I am doing an afternoon workshop,I will broach the topic and report back. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 764 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 7 minutes ago, shaaark said: No one is saying any species of leopard has shrunk to evolve in the British countryside in 49 years. Unless I've missed something?! very possible. What are you saying then? Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
comanche 3,192 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 (edited) Hybrid vigour is usually at its peak in the first cross. Subsequent matings between the hybrids tend to lose the initial advantages . Not all hybrids display vigour; some are degenerate failures. The only real advantage biologically is that rare animals that suffer a scarcity of breeding partners of their own kind that can sometimes find a partner of a commoner and related species . Assuming the hybrid young are fertile they will be be a reservoir for 50% of the rare parent's gene's. A mating of the correct type will produce young with 75% of the rare genes. A subsequent mating of the right type saves the species! Classic example is the European mink which is quite rare. Females unable to find a male European mink are occasionally knobbled by male polecats . Interestingly the male hybrid offspring are sub fertile so can't dilute the gene pool of either mink or polecat. The female mink x polecats are fertile with male mink however! The same is true of some feline species . And at last the elephant in the room had been mentioned. Inbreeding! Cats large and small soon degenerate from it . Edit. I got a rude message from a "well known member" for claiming polecats and mink can hybridize. Now sometimes l do talk bollocks Not this time though. I am writing of European mink ;which are closely related to polecats. Not American mink . They leave the shafting of Europeans to their President. Edited March 29 by comanche 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 764 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 Are we really still clinging to the far fetched notion of Leopards breeding with Pumas, two of the most distantly related cats of supposedly known feline hybrids, being from entirely separate subfamilies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mitre 143 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 That's worth knowing over the road from. Me paid a fortune for their kids bed nothing fancy no mattress £600 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 30,329 Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 10 hours ago, Pardus said: Are we really still clinging to the far fetched notion of Leopards breeding with Pumas, two of the most distantly related cats of supposedly known feline hybrids, being from entirely separate subfamilies. You need to keep up mate and let go of certain things you have made up in your head and tend to cling to, the uk was flooded with various cat species from around the world much like is happening in Russia currently, we had everything from jungle cats to lions, and quite a few ended up dumped so if there is breeding occurring here which to me there clearly is then there’s a strong possibility of some hybridisation in the mix but as discussed days ago it’s all just speculation until the body is on the slab or we have many more years of dna samples, to compare Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 764 Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 4 minutes ago, Greyman said: You need to keep up mate and let go of certain things you have made up in your head and tend to cling to, the uk was flooded with various cat species from around the world much like is happening in Russia currently, we had everything from jungle cats to lions, and quite a few ended up dumped so if there is breeding occurring here which to me there clearly is then there’s a strong possibility of some hybridisation in the mix but as discussed days ago it’s all just speculation until the body is on the slab or we have many more years of dna samples, to compare Mate, there has been no verified puma/leopard hybrids, an article a hundred years old is not proof. Even the supposed stuffed hybrid is not guaranteed to be what it claims, it would more likely be a puma/ocelot hybrid which makes perfect sense given the geography and the fact that the ocelot is genetically more closely related to the puma than a leopard is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 30,329 Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 15 minutes ago, Pardus said: Mate, there has been no verified puma/leopard hybrids, an article a hundred years old is not proof. Even the supposed stuffed hybrid is not guaranteed to be what it claims, it would more likely be a puma/ocelot hybrid which makes perfect sense given the geography and the fact that the ocelot is genetically more closely related to the puma than a leopard is. Please you can’t just keep on denying everything that has happened to suite your argument pumards were popular as pets due to the dwarfism that manifested itself from the cross the stuffed examples are easily tested And well documented it has happened and is possible in most cat species just hammering your points is what holds things up It don’t mean your right it means you’ve just pissed every one off again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 764 Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Just now, Greyman said: Please you can’t just keep on denying everything that has happened to suite your argument pumards were popular as pets due to the dwarfism that manifested itself from the cross the stuffed examples are easily tested And well documented it has happened and is possible in most cat species just hammering your points is what holds things up It don’t mean your right it means you’ve just pissed every one off again No, they weren't, and there's no evidence whatsoever saying they are fertile even if it actually did ever happen. They are so far apart genetically then they would almost certainly be sterile. And even if your far fetched theory happened to be right, there's no documented cases of black puma, only stories, as is the case with a lot of big cat rumours. So, seeing as there's no black pumas, how do you explain all these cats being black when melanism is recessive, meaning both cats need to carry that gene. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 30,329 Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 11 hours ago, mackem said: The hypothesis/theory is a smaller subspecies of leopard has evolved in the UK,yes,go back and read the thread,is it possible Shaaark?What was the trigger?I will quite possibly be chatting to a genuine zoologist within the next couple of weeks,I am doing an afternoon workshop,I will broach the topic and report back. Your very clever at your game I,ll give you credit for that mate, Rick minter is a very highly qualified naturalist biologist that was employed by the uk government mate and if you want to send me an admission fee you can simply come along and meet him lol , anyways a smaller sub species will be evolving not has evolved it will take longer and the gene may not be pure but it’s how cats have conquered the world laters for now I have a bathroom to tile 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 764 Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 5 minutes ago, Greyman said: Your very clever at your game I,ll give you credit for that mate, Rick minter is a very highly qualified naturalist biologist that was employed by the uk government mate and if you want to send me an admission fee you can simply come along and meet him lol , anyways a smaller sub species will be evolving not has evolved it will take longer and the gene may not be pure but it’s how cats have conquered the world laters for now I have a bathroom to tile No, he is not a biologist, he's a government environmental consultant, who basically a public advisor on how to deal with nature, not even close mate. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 28,976 Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 29 minutes ago, Greyman said: Your very clever at your game I,ll give you credit for that mate, Rick minter is a very highly qualified naturalist biologist that was employed by the uk government mate and if you want to send me an admission fee you can simply come along and meet him lol , anyways a smaller sub species will be evolving not has evolved it will take longer and the gene may not be pure but it’s how cats have conquered the world laters for now I have a bathroom to tile No one mentioned minter,I am actually doing a genuine workshop with a genuine zoologist,why on earth would I pay you to meet Rick minter?Remember,it’s all theory,till there’s a cadaver. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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