iworkwhippets 12,661 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 10 minutes ago, Goly said: Interesting, it was thought that the domestic cat was brought over here by the Romans but they have been over here much longer. Neh mind effin Romans, I've been on this planet, a lot longer than folks on here , and I've bin all over damn shop, read my lips, there are no big cats out in the wilds, now stop.talking silly buggers , and let me get on wi mi pobs. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,240 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 17 minutes ago, greg64 said: Most if not all male Ligers and Tigons are sterile and bro rarely the female can breed so the odds would be well stacked against them breeding naturally You may find this interesting greg,I have seen the pumpard specimen in Tring when I went to look at Charles Darwins bird collection. HYBRID BIG CATS IN THE BRITISH COUNTRYSIDE MESSYBEAST.COM 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,853 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 10 hours ago, Chid said: One thing that gets me ... If these big cats are here .. Why are they thriving here yet going extinct in the native lands , vast areas with a lot more wildlife and less humans close by . England is probably more suited to them than there own country’s mate we now have I think nine species of deer most non native but no one doubts it and they are breeding out of control there’s a Macy’s muntjac in every hedge and no large predators to deal with them I used to do a 100 mile round trip in the 80s to have a chance at a roe now they are on the curb everywhere even an old cat that would be killed off in its native country can survive here just on roadkill the environment is also less extreme as in massive heat and no water or massive cold and lastly most of the uk public are like goly sat on a computer scared to get the trainers wet and the countryside is pretty empty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,045 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Greyman said: England is probably more suited to them than there own country’s mate we now have I think nine species of deer most non native but no one doubts it and they are breeding out of control there’s a Macy’s muntjac in every hedge and no large predators to deal with them I used to do a 100 mile round trip in the 80s to have a chance at a roe now they are on the curb everywhere even an old cat that would be killed off in its native country can survive here just on roadkill the environment is also less extreme as in massive heat and no water or massive cold and lastly most of the uk public are like goly sat on a computer scared to get the trainers wet and the countryside is pretty empty Do they learn the green cross code over here, where's all the road kills, not even one, come on, who you kidding? I'm out more than you ya sausage, I was working last night, walked 6 mile in the middle of nowhere, up and down the tracks, been doing that for decades working all over Britain, guess what, no big cats. The closest you could get to a big cat is going up Scotland and hoping to view a wild cat, which may not even be a true wild cat. Lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,045 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 11 hours ago, greg64 said: Most if not all male Ligers and Tigons are sterile and bro rarely the female can breed so the odds would be well stacked against them breeding naturally We don't even know for sure that even the puma/leopard hybrids are 100% genuine, we are going off reports that were made centuries & decades ago and a stuffed creature of what could be something else. As far as I know that's all we have. The leopard and puma were not considered to be closely related enough to have offspring. If it is in fact true, chances are their offspring would be sterile too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,045 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 (edited) 11 hours ago, greg64 said: . Edited January 28 by Goly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gilbey 1,462 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 Mule and hybrid birds are bred each season in people's garden sheds, in the same garden the wild birds stick to their own 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,853 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, Goly said: Do they learn the green cross code over here, where's all the road kills, not even one, come on, who you kidding? I'm out more than you ya sausage, I was working last night, walked 6 mile in the middle of nowhere, up and down the tracks, been doing that for decades working all over Britain, guess what, no big cats. The closest you could get to a big cat is going up Scotland and hoping to view a wild cat, which may not even be a true wild cat. Lol And you probably never will see anything not even a fox wearing earbuds and arguing with people online its what you do mate it’s all your good at your choice of dog says all there is to say about you all show and no go. Finding sign in the uk is hard I probably cover about a hundred miles for every little footprint and carcass I find your not even in my league mate better off sticking to your book and being the class clown play to your strengths Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,045 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, Greyman said: And you probably never will see anything not even a fox wearing earbuds and arguing with people online its what you do mate it’s all your good at your choice of dog says all there is to say about you all show and no go. Finding sign in the uk is hard I probably cover about a hundred miles for every little footprint and carcass I find your not even in my league mate better off sticking to your book and being the class clown play to your strengths You are clueless, the great big hunter that knows the existence of big cats yet you have shown us nothing, a pure dreamer, the old garden shitter has seen more wildlife than your mongrel lol. You have been rumbled mate, your meltdown shows you can't handle the scrutiny. So, now you have changed your tune about a breeding population of hybrids, so what is it now, a breeding population of leopard, and puma? Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,045 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Gilbey said: Mule and hybrid birds are bred each season in people's garden sheds, in the same garden the wild birds stick to their own Yep, and look at the fertility of mules. Greyman tried to convince people on here that puma/leopard hybrids are breeding populations of hybrid cats. The truth is, there is no 100% confirmed hybrid in captivity. A stuffed animal doesn't prove nothing, it's more likely that the stuffed cat that Mackem saw was a hybrid between a puma & ocelot, they are much closer genetically and that means more chance of a successful mating. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,240 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 6 minutes ago, Goly said: it's more likely that the stuffed cat that Mackem saw was a hybrid between a puma & ocelot, they are much closer genetically and that means more chance of a successful mating. Could have been,anyone near Tring should pop into the museum,loads of interesting stuff,the cat is displayed as a Pumpard,I just took it at face value being in a museum. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,045 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mackem said: Could have been,anyone near Tring should pop into the museum,loads of interesting stuff,the cat is displayed as a Pumpard,I just took it at face value being in a museum. Who knows for sure mate, but it's a possibility, an ocelot is more closely related to a puma, they are much smaller, that stuffed animal looks much smaller than both leopard & puma? Size alone doesn't necessarily disprove it though, a tigon is generally smaller than either parent, unlike the liger. Edited January 28 by Goly 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,240 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, Goly said: Who knows for sure mate, but it's a possibility, an ocelot is more closely related to a puma, they are much smaller, that stuffed animal looks much smaller than both leopard & puma? It is fairly small,certainly not robust,but who really knows,here's an article on pumpards. PUMAPARD & PUMA/JAGUAR HYBRIDS MESSYBEAST.COM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,045 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, mackem said: It is fairly small,certainly not robust,but who really knows,here's an article on pumpards. PUMAPARD & PUMA/JAGUAR HYBRIDS MESSYBEAST.COM Read that mate, as I pointed out, it's mostly unconfined accounts from the late 1800's and later, these hybrids are much more likely to be ocelot crosses but who knows for sure? Puma and leopard are not closely related, they are not even of the same genus. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,240 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, Goly said: Read that mate, as I pointed out, it's mostly unconfined accounts from the late 1800's and later, these hybrids are much more likely to be ocelot crosses but who knows for sure? Puma and leopard are not closely related, they are not even of the same genus. Pumpard spotted in the wild in the UK? Rare Hybrid 'Pumapard' Spotted In UK, Unveiled In New Documentary - Zenger News WWW.ZENGER.NEWS Filmmakers capture trail cam photo of elusive big cat, igniting debate among experts 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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