Greyman 28,854 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 44 minutes ago, Goly said: Maybe so mate but the idea of species of big cats breeding with each other and creating a new wild species native to the UK is pure hogwash. If Jaguars and Pumas don't mate despite living together and being genetically closest matched to each other then there's not much more to say. Get a grip mate ffs there are 16 sub species of leopard the world over the last black leopard that died in captivity in exmoor zoo was a hybrid if we took pets from several continents and they breed in the uk they will be another subspecies native only to the uk that is why collecting dna is so important and it also makes your other silly point of planting hairs rather pointless you need to stop believing everything you read and have a look outside it’s amazing what you can see if you use your own eyes and form your own opinions, ps pumas and leopards have cross bred as have tigers and lions plus a multitude of smaller cat species like Welsh red says most designer cats are hybrid wild cats book wanker 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,048 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Welsh_red said: Was the claims of hybrids in the uk mentioned with puma & jaguar ? Or was the hybrid talk about different cat species . I'm may be way wrong but isn't the savannahs cat hybridised in captivity ? Like I say I may be wrong , I've git memory of a goldfish No, they are claims of leopard/puma, but as I pointed out, the puma is genetically closer to the jaguar than it is to the leopard, which makes sense really seeing as they inhabit the same regions. So, if these cats don't mix in the wild, why would you expect wild leopards and pumas to do the same in the UK? Edited January 27 by Goly 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,048 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Greyman said: Get a grip mate ffs there are 16 sub species of leopard the world over the last black leopard that died in captivity in exmoor zoo was a hybrid if we took pets from several continents and they breed in the uk they will be another subspecies native only to the uk that is why collecting dna is so important and it also makes your other silly point of planting hairs rather pointless you need to stop believing everything you read and have a look outside it’s amazing what you can see if you use your own eyes and form your own opinions, ps pumas and leopards have cross bred as have tigers and lions plus a multitude of smaller cat species like Welsh red says most designer cats are hybrid wild cats book wanker Hahahahaha the books is all about the study & conservation of big cats, written by experts in biology, zoology, genetics, they are out in the field getting all the data, DNA, camera traps, the full shebang, their career is studying big cats in their natural habitat. I think they are vastly more qualified than me, you or your buddy Rick Minter. Jaguars & Puma have also bred in captivity, but in the wild they don't, and neither would Leopards & Pumas or whatever you claim to be out there. Less planting cat scats and more book wankering for you . Edited January 27 by Goly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,854 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 8 minutes ago, Goly said: No, they are claims of leopard/puma, but as I pointed out, the puma is genetically closer to the jaguar than it is to the leopard, which makes sense really seeing as they inhabit the same regions. Put the book down you bell end there are no jaguars in the uk to the best of our knowledge even you might notice if there were Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iworkwhippets 12,661 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 4 minutes ago, Goly said: Hahahahaha the books is all about the study & conservation of big cats, written by experts in biology, zoology, genetics, they are out in the field getting all the data, DNA, camera traps, the full shebang, their career is studying big cats in their natural habitat. I think they are vastly more qualified than me, you or your buddy Rick Minter. Jaguars & Puma have also bred in captivity, but in the wild they don't, and neither would Leopards & Pumas or whatever you claim to be out there. Less planting cat scats and more book wankering for you . Wankering, GOD knows what you get up to.with that bible , thou shalt not toss thissen off 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,048 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Greyman said: Put the book down you bell end there are no jaguars in the uk to the best of our knowledge even you might notice if there were I don't think you're grasping this Tugboat Charlie. I never there was a claim of Jaguars over here. My point was, the Jaguar & Puma inhabit the same areas and don't breed together, also the Jaguar is genetically closer to the Puma than the Leopard is. Why would it be different here in the wild UK, they are not cats in captivity, these are cats generations deep after their ancestors were released. So, in conclusion, your theory about Leopards & Pumas breeding together in the UK and creating a hybrid species is basically horse shit, hope this clarifies things. I look forward to your next post of insults. Edited January 27 by Goly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,048 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 A puma and jaguar crossing the same camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,854 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 33 minutes ago, Goly said: I don't think you're grasping this Tugboat Charlie. I never there was a claim of Jaguars over here. My point was, the Jaguar & Puma inhabit the same areas and don't breed together, also the Jaguar is genetically closer to the Puma than the Leopard is. Why would it be different here in the wild UK, they are not cats in captivity, these are cats generations deep after their ancestors were released. So, in conclusion, your theory about Leopards & Pumas breeding together in the UK and creating a hybrid species is basically horse shit, hope this clarifies things. I look forward to your next post of insults. It clarify things for you as once again you have chosen to ignore the fact there are 16 species of leopard in the world and we brought them from many different continents for the pet trade so the different leopards will eventually die out through in breeding or a uk sub species will emerge breeding true stop trying to change things to suit you and your books agenda you are so far out of your depth it’s not even worth throwing you a life line stick to something you know like the kebab diet 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,048 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Greyman said: It clarify things for you as once again you have chosen to ignore the fact there are 16 species of leopard in the world and we brought them from many different continents for the pet trade so the different leopards will eventually die out through in breeding or a uk sub species will emerge breeding true stop trying to change things to suit you and your books agenda you are so far out of your depth it’s not even worth throwing you a life line stick to something you know like the kebab diet 16, where have you pulled that figure from, there's around 8 or 9. And we aren't talking about leopards, we are discussing your idea of a hybrid population of puma/leopards which is just pure unfounded fantasy. I'm glad to share my superior knowledge with you mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,854 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, Goly said: 16, where have you pulled that figure from, there's around 8 or 9. And we aren't talking about leopards, we are discussing your idea of a hybrid population of puma/leopards which is just pure unfounded fantasy. I'm glad to share my superior knowledge with you mate. Leopards and pumas can and have cross bred despite your earlier claims and could you highlight were I’ve said we have a population of puma leopard crosses developing I’ve said an English cat species but as I’ve highlighted we are talking a black leopard type cat, the Kellas cat is another interesting example of hybridisation between a Scottish wildcat and a domestic breeding true to type and getting much bigger than both parents, I,ll leave you to your research as your clearly years behind me on all this and buying a book doesn’t propel you to genius level it just means you ain’t got a pot what your talking about I,ll leave you with that as your getting boring again 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,048 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Greyman said: Leopards and pumas can and have cross bred despite your earlier claims and could you highlight were I’ve said we have a population of puma leopard crosses developing I’ve said an English cat species but as I’ve highlighted we are talking a black leopard type cat, the Kellas cat is another interesting example of hybridisation between a Scottish wildcat and a domestic breeding true to type and getting much bigger than both parents, I,ll leave you to your research as your clearly years behind me on all this and buying a book doesn’t propel you to genius level it just means you ain’t got a pot what your talking about I,ll leave you with that as your getting boring again No, I never said that, what I said is that jaguars don't breed with pumas in the wild so why would people claim that leopards would breed with pumas in the wild of the UK? And you have claimed that before, I know you have. Domestic cats came from the wild cat, the same species as our wildcats, but a different subspecies in the Near East. My knowledge was already far superior than yours mate, this book as made it light years ahead. Lol Edited January 27 by Goly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chid 6,583 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 One thing that gets me ... If these big cats are here .. Why are they thriving here yet going extinct in the native lands , vast areas with a lot more wildlife and less humans close by . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,048 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Interesting, it was thought that the domestic cat was brought over here by the Romans but they have been over here much longer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,048 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Also 40-90% of Scottish wildcats may not even be true wildcats, hybridisation has likely been taking place for 2000 years. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greg64 2,849 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 3 hours ago, Greyman said: Get a grip mate ffs there are 16 sub species of leopard the world over the last black leopard that died in captivity in exmoor zoo was a hybrid if we took pets from several continents and they breed in the uk they will be another subspecies native only to the uk that is why collecting dna is so important and it also makes your other silly point of planting hairs rather pointless you need to stop believing everything you read and have a look outside it’s amazing what you can see if you use your own eyes and form your own opinions, ps pumas and leopards have cross bred as have tigers and lions plus a multitude of smaller cat species like Welsh red says most designer cats are hybrid wild cats book wanker Most if not all male Ligers and Tigons are sterile and bro rarely the female can breed so the odds would be well stacked against them breeding naturally 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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