Sooty Sam? % of Laguna?

[Guest mush]

take what further frank?

so come on frank tell us about the parents and g parents to your latest pups, what style they have, what they have caught est. be more interesting than talking about a dog so few have seen work .

Edited February 2, 2008 by mush

[Guest Frank]

I have 2 pups. One is none pedigree, the other, mainly Nimrodle. The parents of the none pedigree, have got 17 hares last season in the day time and plenty of bunnys on the lamp.

The Pedigree KC reg pups parents, are regular lamping dogs and coursing dogs, taking a few here and their. I have seen all run and am very happy with the way they box in their quarry, use their mouth in the right way, not over shooting like a lot do and have the steadyness for a good days ferreting/bushing. I will try and get some vid footage of them working and put it up, not that i need to proove to you or myself anything, would just be nice to see for other folk.

Now, this debating, ect, can go on for several pages, backwards and fawards, sniping comments ect to each other. Personally, i have better things to be getting on with, my fault really for getting involved in this in the first place, but i have, so will just finish by saying, as long as your happy with what you do, thats all that matters, good luck.

[Pennymeadow Whippets 0]

Regarding this becoming a Hancock like thread, why shouldn't it???? why should Hancock get slated but Mike Brown's a hero? Whats the diferance between the two? both breed for proffit so are both puppy pedlers in my view.

 

 

The vast difference is that all Mike Browns whippets are tested in the field unlike Mr Hancocks stock Mike does not breed dogs for a living where Mr Hancock does

 

There are lots of people happy with their hancock lurchers but still he get s slated. Just because Mike Brown produces dogs people are happy with then it does not make it okay.

 

If people are happy with what they are getting for their money they will continue to buy from Mike Brown or Mr Hancock its when they are unhappy they will not go back,we have all heard how Mr Hancock keeps his dogs but Mike Brown 's whippets are kept in inaculate condition.

 

As fo Sooty Sam, look at this weeks countrymans, all whippet litters have him mentioned. Its all about a name. What people hear about. I find it strange that there's one rule for lurchers and one for whippets as there are far more whippet puppy pedlers than there are lurcher pedlers. It just happens that the lurcher is more succesfull.

 

The last registered litter from Sooty Sam was in 2002 so is it people on Mikes name ? who continue to sell pups from sooty sam lines?

 

If you buy from a p0edler its your choice and you dont have to justify yourself on here but dont make out they are not pedlers.

 

We hear this time & time again so how many litters have Laguna/Moonlake/Shalfleet/Walkaboutproduced over the years ? & continue to produce strange how no one questions their breeding policies

Edited February 2, 2008 by Pennymeadow Whippets

[minion 29]

In the past, i have got pups threw name ect. But have soon found out, its all a hype.

From this i have learnt, to see both, parents of the pups, work, not just once, but several times.

I have, by doing this, usually found it works, but, not allways.

As i have said, i have never met Mike Brown, dont know owt about how he works his dogs, so can not comment. All i have said is, iv seen 2 very good whippets, work, with a lot, of sooty sam in their make up and was impressed.

Mush, if you want to take this firther with Mike Brown, why not, as Penny Medow says, ring him up and visit him and see for yourself, then come back to me and give your opinion, as then, i will listen to you.

Minion, have you not got a whippet, with Luguna, in its make up??, have you seen the parents of your whippet work, several times, if you have, can you please explain, what was their working style , that atrracted you, to order a pup, off that breeding??

 

 

Yes Frank there's Laguna in my pup but that's not why I bought her. I bought her from a genuine lad who bred a single litter and kept one back for himself. I haven't seen either parent work and will never be likely too see them work either.

 

I didn't book a pup, I saw a litter on here and pm the guy who bred them. He had one bitch pup left so I bought it. I don't have a clue about various lines of Whippet, and couldn't care less about them either to be honest. I spoke to the chap who bred her, he said the parents both worked. I have no reason to doubt him as he was asking a very reasonable price and wasn't trying to market anything. I bought the pup and took the chance.

 

No matter how well she turns out she will have a home for life. With a wife and two kids I cant trade dogs. Not that I would want to.

 

No style attracted me towards the pup. My wife wanted a whippet to have a smaller dog in the house. All I work is rabbit and hare so had no problem settling for a whippet.

 

By the start of next season I will have a very well trained dog ready to be worked hard on rabbit and hare. If I ever breed a litter of pups I would be breeding to keep one back for personal use and the rest will be sold to good homes. I may breed her with a whippet, it may be to lurcher, who knows but I do know I would like to breed a litter at least once in my life.

[minion 29]

To be honest I haven't heard about those lines other than lagunas. If they are breeding litter after litter and selling puerly for proffit then suerly they are peddlers too????

 

No matter what anyone says, if you repeat breed and have no intention of keeping a pup back then you are breeding for proffit. Weather you are mike Brown or David Hancock it is the same.

 

How many litters does Mike Brown produce a year? How many bitches has he got? If he works full time how can he give the dogs a decent amount of work?

 

With any breed that attracts a decent amount of money for a pup you will get people breeding for money. You just need to accept it. However you cant say its okay for Mike Brown because he has a full time job too?

 

I've never met him but am sure Mike Brown is a good guy. He is certianly switched on and breeds good pups from what I hear. But Hancock breeds good pups too. He turns out alot more dogs so has a higher chance of people failing with dogs. Also, I think most people who buy a whippet have bought it for life no matter how it turns out. With Lurchers alot of guys but them puerly for work and if the dont make the grade the get rid of them.

[Guest markbrick1]

spot on minion.

 

Frank most have had dogs at one time or another because of a name ( person or dog ) then with a few years in the dog game they realise that its better to go on what you know the parents, G parents can do and not what other say they can do.

maybe i should start markbrick lurchers mus at least mine won a load of trophys and all work hard,i got the pictures to prove it

[blackwhippet 7]

Just out of interest how are your dogs bred Mush?

[Pennymeadow Whippets 0]

To be honest I haven't heard about those lines other than lagunas. If they are breeding litter after litter and selling puerly for proffit then suerly they are peddlers too????

 

If you have not heard of these whippet kennels im surprised as they all come from & go back to the same bloodlines.

 

No matter what anyone says, if you repeat breed and have no intention of keeping a pup back then you are breeding for proffit. Weather you are mike Brown or David Hancock it is the same.

 

Mike Brown keeps back pups that he breeds to futher his breeding program & sells what he does not keep not like Mr Hancock.

 

How many litters does Mike Brown produce a year? How many bitches has he got? If he works full time how can he give the dogs a decent amount of work?

 

Mike breeds 2 litters most years & works as a Herdsman where his whippets are working all day as he works on the farm.

With any breed that attracts a decent amount of money for a pup you will get people breeding for money. You just need to accept it. However you cant say its okay for Mike Brown because he has a full time job too?

 

If you were intrested in breeding for money you would not breed running dogs as at £350 in conparison to a pug/Italian greyhound £750-£1000 per pup.

 

I've never met him but am sure Mike Brown is a good guy.

 

Mike is a sound lad & a phone call or meeting with him to see how passionate he is about his whippets would show any of the doubters this.

Edited February 2, 2008 by Pennymeadow Whippets

[blackwhippet 7]

Mike is a sound lad & a phone call or meeting with him to see how passionate he is about his whippets would show any of the doubters this.[/color]

 

Jeff is absolutely right, anyone who has actually met Mike or spoke to him on the phone would know that he is a true dog man who is passionate about his whippets and their work in the field. Hands up the people who have posted on this thread who have actually met or spoken to Mike, not many I bet

Edited February 2, 2008 by blackwhippet

[KevO 42]

i knew MB before he got into whippets and he is a true dog man, he works what he sells. yes he does sell alot of dogs, if they wernt any good they wouldnt be a market for them.

[Guest reload]

I really only wanted to know whats all the Laguna breeding in this wonder dogs make up is......Thanks for the posts and iput its really interesting.

 

Mike brown breeds 2-3 litters a year and has done for some time, all with the words 'Working'...'Laguna'...or Sooty Sam in the adverts and also many of the dogs bred by him have this attached to there advertising, you only have to look through the CMW or EDRD, to see the mention of the dog on nearly every advert conserning whippets.But is there anything special about this dog?? What made him soo good?? Or is it just prolific due to its stud dutys...? I am 100% sure there are other good whippets out there without the 'Working'...'Laguna'...or Sooty Sam marketing, i have been around this breed for quite a few years.

 

Good luck to the fella, I have seen some really nice dogs with a dash of soooty sam in them, but I for one am very suspect.

[blackwhippet 7]

I really only wanted to know whats all the Laguna breeding in this wonder dogs make up is......Thanks for the posts and iput its really interesting.

 

Mike brown breeds 2-3 litters a year and has done for some time, all with the words 'Working'...'Laguna'...or Sooty Sam in the adverts and also many of the dogs bred by him have this attached to there advertising, you only have to look through the CMW or EDRD, to see the mention of the dog on nearly every advert conserning whippets.But is there anything special about this dog?? What made him soo good?? Or is it just prolific due to its stud dutys...? I am 100% sure there are other good whippets out there without the 'Working'...'Laguna'...or Sooty Sam marketing, i have been around this breed for quite a few years.

 

Good luck to the fella, I have seen some really nice dogs with a dash of soooty sam in them, but I for one am very suspect.

 

What made Sooty Sam `special` imho is the fact that Mike saw potential in him after lamping him and working him during the day on fox , and used this potential to create a line of whippets that are very typey keen effective workers. Ring Mike up and ask him yourself if you`re doubtful.

I have a copy of SS s ped here somewhere I will scan it in and put it on here to answer the original question

[blackwhippet 7]

Pedigree of SS I`m sure Mike won`t mind me posting it on here

[lanesra 3,994]

blackwhippet is spot on with his comments, mike"s knowledge and his enthusiasum for his dogs 2nd to none, his kennels are a credit to the man, and im still waitin for someone who has dealt with him personally to knock him or the dog they get, all some people on hear go on about to knock him is money money money,sure he probably makes a few quid but not the amount people would want to believe, but if he was in it for money he certainly wouldnt be breedin whippets thats a fact the price of some breeds!!!!! at the end of the day {its night.. i know} where all into workin our dogs so if the people who have a dog off him and it does the job they were bred for and there happy whats the problem.

[Guest mush]

Just out of interest how are your dogs bred Mush?

from worker lines first and coursing winners second and the others from workers.