EDDIE B 3,166 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Greyman said: Your right what your saying and there are groups out in Scotland sterilising as many ferals as they can and captive breeding programs but this adaptive behaviour is also what makes cats so successful at the end of the day domestic cats were once a wild species that just found it easier to scrounge off of fishermen in ports before moving into our homes and the kellas cat is an example of a new species merging which has happened with cats for years there are 16 sub species of leopards alone living in every environment on earth But the Keller wouldn't be a new species. It would be a hybrid. Another few generations, of breeding with housecats, and the Keller will be indistinguishable from your average moggy. Regarding their adaptability. Yes, on one hand you could look at it that way. On another, you could say that the adaptability of one cat, will be downfall of another. If house cats weren't so successful, (with a lot of help from man), then the wildcat would not be in danger of disappearing forever. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, waltjnr said: I've got a pop up add for vet advice to stop your cat spraying indoors !! In this thread lol , I keep getting AA route finder . Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 The Plight of the Scottish Wildcat TOMLPHOTOGRAPHY.BLOGSPOT.COM The summer sun dips behind the pine trees. A deer drinks at the edge of a rippling stream; its ears flicking with every sou... It appears a more deadly approach to ferals is happening and rightly so . 2 Link to post Share on other sites
gnipper 6,508 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 I've seen Kellas cats mentioned and videos of them etc and dna says they are hybrids between ferals and sw but at what point could/would a feral start evolving into a bigger cat? Some of them ferals in Australia are pretty bloody big and there's no Scottish crosses over there? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
BEARINATOR 2,871 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, gnipper said: I've seen Kellas cats mentioned and videos of them etc and dna says they are hybrids between ferals and sw but at what point could/would a feral start evolving into a bigger cat? Some of them ferals in Australia are pretty bloody big and there's no Scottish crosses over there? Different diet in Australia mate but most ferals I get ain’t much bigger than a normal cat when near houses and that but some on the moors seem to get bigger so could be longer distances to cover makes them get taller Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,796 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, gnipper said: I've seen Kellas cats mentioned and videos of them etc and dna says they are hybrids between ferals and sw but at what point could/would a feral start evolving into a bigger cat? Some of them ferals in Australia are pretty bloody big and there's no Scottish crosses over there? As I’ve tried to say on here many times I am just a foot soldier have no real education but just find things on my travels and pass them on to those more knowledgeable than myself so this is just my opinion but if the kellas cats are breeding true to type I,e size and colour and are identifiable through DNA then surely they are already part way to forming a species could do with someone like born to help explain really but that to me is evolution happening in front of us 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,796 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, BEARINATOR said: Different diet in Australia mate but most ferals I get ain’t much bigger than a normal cat when near houses and that but some on the moors seem to get bigger so could be longer distances to cover makes them get taller Adapting to prey species could also have a bearing on things over time I,m guessing ie the ones around the factory’s are living of scraps and the odd mouse or rat hence the rubbish tip being alive with them were as those in the wild will probably need to hunt and bring down live food 1 Link to post Share on other sites
EDDIE B 3,166 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, Greyman said: As I’ve tried to say on here many times I am just a foot soldier have no real education but just find things on my travels and pass them on to those more knowledgeable than myself so this is just my opinion but if the kellas cats are breeding true to type I,e size and colour and are identifiable through DNA then surely they are already part way to forming a species could do with someone like born to help explain really but that to me is evolution happening in front of us DNA is identifying that they are part house cat, part S Wildcat lad. A liger, is not a new species. Just a hybrid. Same with Kellas. Link to post Share on other sites
Gilbey 1,458 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 You get the odd big rat/fox, are they "adapting" or "evolving"? Or have they just been doing well for themselves 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BEARINATOR 2,871 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Gilbey said: You get the odd big rat/fox, are they "adapting" or "evolving"? Or have they just been doing well for themselves That’s it though with ferals mate, even wild boar ain’t that much bigger than the farmed ones so not really adapting or evolving and they have been here for years Link to post Share on other sites
EDDIE B 3,166 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gilbey said: You get the odd big rat/fox, are they "adapting" or "evolving"? Or have they just been doing well for themselves It's like anything. If there is more prey and less competition, animals will thrive. Ferrals in Australia for example. Then look at the red fox. Parts of America, they are a lot smaller than fox's here, but still a red fox. DNA makeup is still the same. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
king 11,980 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 hours ago, foxdropper said: Good to see your on form King .Nice day for a glide out isn’t it .Any GoPro footage of you reading the instruction at 1000 m or is abuse all you have these days . Its raining..so once again you are ranting on about something you clearly have zero experience of.. Stick to ratting around chicken sheds and poking your stick into piles of rotten chicken shit..you 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BEARINATOR 2,871 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 34 minutes ago, king said: Its raining..so once again you are ranting on about something you clearly have zero experience of.. Stick to ratting around chicken sheds and poking your stick into piles of rotten chicken shit..you Come on pal we expected a cheeky comeback not a factual one 2 Link to post Share on other sites
greg64 2,849 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, EDDIE B said: DNA is identifying that they are part house cat, part S Wildcat lad. A liger, is not a new species. Just a hybrid. Same with Kellas. i think male ligers are sterile so the line would not continue the same as Kellas 1 Link to post Share on other sites
greg64 2,849 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, gnipper said: I've seen Kellas cats mentioned and videos of them etc and dna says they are hybrids between ferals and sw but at what point could/would a feral start evolving into a bigger cat? Some of them ferals in Australia are pretty bloody big and there's no Scottish crosses over there? maybe if it bred with a cat like the main Coon possibly Link to post Share on other sites
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