another big cat sightings 2

[king 11,971]

How did the African Big cat tracker get on GM..

[keepdiggin 9,559]

1 minute ago, king said:

How did the African Big cat tracker get on GM..

Got eaten by a leopard  

[EDDIE B 3,159]

8 minutes ago, king said:

How did the African Big cat tracker get on GM..

Seemingly they are still out there, crossing the Channel Tunnel as we speak

[EDDIE B 3,159]

20 minutes ago, BEARINATOR said:

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 This shows that lynx in France do go for sheep so unless we have different wild cats then sheep will be on the menu, just seen as well that the lynx in France are going extinct so the rewilding was a waste of time 

Any mention of dipped sheep not being attacked in the study? Any mention of dipping being a solution to the attacks? Sorry, I read some, but not all of the study.

[BEARINATOR 2,867]

6 minutes ago, EDDIE B said:

Any mention of dipped sheep not being attacked in the study? Any mention of dipping being a solution to the attacks? Sorry, I read some, but not all of the study.

Nope pal but they do kill them, think a dip would be like a bit salt and pepper to us on our food 

[Greyman 27,980]

11 hours ago, Welsh_red said:

Someone has replied on here about it being mentioned in lynx reintroduction . I'm not sure that's where I heard it tho 

I can't give you any data but it might of been on greymans podcast or on YouTube somewhere.  I think It was anecdotal from a farmer who didn't dip his sheep and next doors did and he lost sheep and next door didn't.  Greyman will either confirm or deny if it was on his podcast tho .

I suppose it would make sense tho as I reckon the taste of dip would be pretty off-putting.  I can see a point about it having to be newly dipped sheep but maybe on other side of coin maybe their will be remnants of smell etc for long time afterwards that we can't detect but other animals can.  who knows 

Several years ago the group was contacted by a lady land owner in Scotland that was loosing one or two sheep a week her staff must have all been mad as they all claimed to have seen a black cat on here land we had cameras out etc and got her to dip half the flock and from then on she only lost from the half that were un dipped, this has came from the sheep reports that do happen as we always ask if they were dipped or not and very rarely are they dipped it’s just about data and building a picture 

11 hours ago, mackem said:

I think if a big cat is hungry,and commited to an attack then a slightly bitter taste (if any) isn’t going to cause it to break off an assault.But if it were true I can’t imagine it’s been overlooked in India and Africa but discovered in the UK?All speculation on everyone’s part,mine included.

There is no need for these animals to really be hungry here is there mac, I think what you and a few of the other doubters do that reinforces your positions is you keep referring to India the USA etc, but the environments food and weather are all totally different here as an apex predator in the uk if you wanted to you could eat a fresh deer every day and there is nothing going to rob you like bigger predators or packs of dogs hyenas etc so you don’t have to risk stealing a dog etc or going after less favourable food, anyway had a lovely day out yesterday with a real expert that had no doubt we are past the stage of if they are here  or not also got what appears to be a cracking daytime picture on one of the trail cams we went to check and some good advice on locations for others so all in all a positive day and another small step in the right direction, shame you couldn’t have hopped in the wardrobe and popped down even ended up in a nice pub that was having a beer festival and selling Sri Lankan street food to round it off

[mackem 26,091]

1 minute ago, Greyman said:

direction, shame you couldn’t have hopped in the wardrobe and popped down even ended up in a nice pub that was having a beer festival and selling Sri Lankan street food to round it off

I would have enjoyed that,not the pub but,but certainly the Sri Lankan food,went to Sri Lanka years ago and enjoyed the grub.

[Deker 3,478]

I don't pretend to be any sort of expert on Sheep Dips, but does anyone seriously think a bit of Dip is going to stop a Big Cat killing it???

[mackem 26,091]

Just now, Deker said:

I don't pretend to be any sort of expert on Sheep Dips, but does anyone seriously think a bit of Dip is going to stop a Big Cat killing it???

No.

[Greyman 27,980]

27 minutes ago, king said:

How did the African Big cat tracker get on GM..

Was a real eye opener mate I,ve met a few but this guy was definitely the real deal learned quite a bit but was just impressive watching him read the land even with dog or deer tracks he could tell how old they were and show the effects of time and weather on the prints we followed some munti tracks for a while even showed when it had stopped to drink from a tiny puddle he could identify which foot was which and the rough height of the animal by the size of its stride etc was like a good day at school mate

[Deker 3,478]

9 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Several years ago the group was contacted by a lady land owner in Scotland that was loosing one or two sheep a week her staff must have all been mad as they all claimed to have seen a black cat on here land we had cameras out etc and got her to dip half the flock and from then on she only lost from the half that were un dipped, this has came from the sheep reports that do happen as we always ask if they were dipped or not and very rarely are they dipped it’s just about data and building a picture 

 

Or interpreting data the way you want it to read!!!!

At best, a coincidence, or simply they had a preference for undipped!!  That doesn't mean a Dip will stop Cats!

[EDDIE B 3,159]

14 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Several years ago the group was contacted by a lady land owner in Scotland that was loosing one or two sheep a week her staff must have all been mad as they all claimed to have seen a black cat on here land we had cameras out etc and got her to dip half the flock and from then on she only lost from the half that were un dipped, this has came from the sheep reports that do happen as we always ask if they were dipped or not and very rarely are they dipped it’s just about data and building a picture 

There is no need for these animals to really be hungry here is there mac, I think what you and a few of the other doubters do that reinforces your positions is you keep referring to India the USA etc, but the environments food and weather are all totally different here as an apex predator in the uk if you wanted to you could eat a fresh deer every day and there is nothing going to rob you like bigger predators or packs of dogs hyenas etc so you don’t have to risk stealing a dog etc or going after less favourable food, anyway had a lovely day out yesterday with a real expert that had no doubt we are past the stage of if they are here  or not also got what appears to be a cracking daytime picture on one of the trail cams we went to check and some good advice on locations for others so all in all a positive day and another small step in the right direction, shame you couldn’t have hopped in the wardrobe and popped down even ended up in a nice pub that was having a beer festival and selling Sri Lankan street food to round it off

Mate read even a small part of this. It literally debunks most of what you say, about different climate, terrain etc. Some individual cats even seem to be dedicated sheep killers.

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[Greyman 27,980]

4 minutes ago, Deker said:

I don't pretend to be any sort of expert on Sheep Dips, but does anyone seriously think a bit of Dip is going to stop a Big Cat killing it???

But that is simply what you believe we do actually go out and collect data and in the uk it is a very clear pattern that most of the sheep believed to be predated by.cats are undipped, I don’t no you or need to impress you so out of curiosity why do you think I would bother wasting my time by lying it’s an observation from years of collecting reports and speaking with farmers

[Deker 3,478]

2 minutes ago, Greyman said:

But that is simply what you believe we do actually go out and collect data and in the uk it is a very clear pattern that most of the sheep believed to be predated by.cats are undipped, I don’t no you or need to impress you so out of curiosity why do you think I would bother wasting my time by lying it’s an observation from years of collecting reports and speaking with farmers

So...why isn't sheep dip touted as Big Cat repellent??

 

[Greyman 27,980]

8 minutes ago, Deker said:

Or interpreting data the way you want it to read!!!!

At best, a coincidence, or simply they had a preference for undipped!!  That doesn't mean a Dip will stop Cats!

I think some of you have already polarised your opinions and nothing is going to change that you are basically accusing anyone involved of lying really, THE WOMAN DIPPED HALF THE FLOCK AND LOST ZERO SHEEP FROM THAT HALF, that would indicate the dip did stop the cats wouldn’t it,