British dog breeds in crisis

[Guest greengrass123]

Cmw today kennel club bleating about british dog breeds in decline christ havent they spent years trying to ruin nearly every working breed with their stupid breed standards. most of the original breeds are unrecobniseable from their counterparts of 50 years ago. dont know how you guys feel about this.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

I feel in complete agreement with ye, mate.

[Chaz 6]

Another massive problem is that now the breeds are rare the breeders are charging he earth for puppies, but to top it all to make sure nobody else can get in on the money making they put an endorsement on the paperwork to stop dogs they`ve sold from having offspring registered, so it is a vicious circle that only the money grabbing breeders can do anything about

[chirpy 0]

Cmw today kennel club bleating about british dog breeds in decline christ havent they spent years trying to ruin nearly every working breed with their stupid breed standards. most of the original breeds are unrecobniseable from their counterparts of 50 years ago. dont know how you guys feel about this.

i agree ,i breed and showed bull terriers for 15 years.Finished showing because of breed standard ruining the animals and the judges and owners ruining the shows.People should always have them as pets first and show second.

[farlap 19]

my penneth worth>

re the endorsements. Some of us have spent many many years developing a line that can excel in both the hunting field and on the show bench.......I certainly endorse all papers of any pup I sell for the simple reason that I dont want some twit messing up what is effectively something I have spent many thousands of pounds on trying to improve upon!! Certainly I will lift the endorsement if I feel that the pup is suitable for breeding and is both good enough in conformation, temperament and ability once it reaches maturity. Another factor is that I want the pup i sold to have all the relevant health tests prior to its new owner wanting to breed from it.....can you imagine if they mated it to some unsuitable dog and had pups with some inherited problem....it would imediately back fire on my kennel and on the reputation I have built up over many years!!

as for money grabbing breeders....my last litter cost me over £2000 to produce.

[Chaz 6]

my penneth worth>

re the endorsements. Some of us have spent many many years developing a line that can excel in both the hunting field and on the show bench.......I certainly endorse all papers of any pup I sell for the simple reason that I dont want some twit messing up what is effectively something I have spent many thousands of pounds on trying to improve upon!! Certainly I will lift the endorsement if I feel that the pup is suitable for breeding and is both good enough in conformation, temperament and ability once it reaches maturity. Another factor is that I want the pup i sold to have all the relevant health tests prior to its new owner wanting to breed from it.....can you imagine if they mated it to some unsuitable dog and had pups with some inherited problem....it would imediately back fire on my kennel and on the reputation I have built up over many years!!

as for money grabbing breeders....my last litter cost me over £2000 to produce.

 

 

I find the whole endorsement idea wrong if you sell something then it should be the new owners decision what they do , you can`t sell a car and say you can have it but you can`t drive it in case you are a bad driver, you don`t see the racing greyhound breeders saying that we will sell you a dog but you can`t race it in case it`s slow and makes our breeding look bad , when you sell something you give up right of ownership, otherwise you are just giving it out on an expensive long term loan, it is your choice to spend the amount of time and money on your line, but how are new lines going to be developed if breeders will not let new owners make a choice on which way they would like to develop their own kennel .

[Neal 1,873]

There was a feature on yesterday's "The One Show," about Glen Of Imaals, saying that they are now officially the rarest British breed. None of them looked like they could do a day's graft though.

[Andrea 2]

my penneth worth>

re the endorsements. Some of us have spent many many years developing a line that can excel in both the hunting field and on the show bench.......I certainly endorse all papers of any pup I sell for the simple reason that I dont want some twit messing up what is effectively something I have spent many thousands of pounds on trying to improve upon!! Certainly I will lift the endorsement if I feel that the pup is suitable for breeding and is both good enough in conformation, temperament and ability once it reaches maturity. Another factor is that I want the pup i sold to have all the relevant health tests prior to its new owner wanting to breed from it.....can you imagine if they mated it to some unsuitable dog and had pups with some inherited problem....it would imediately back fire on my kennel and on the reputation I have built up over many years!!

as for money grabbing breeders....my last litter cost me over £2000 to produce.

 

I actually agree with endorsements on papers, depending on the circumstances, like the ones you state. The people who are really responsible for messing up good pedigree’s usually are pet owner’s who have no idea about breeding, but want to make a few quid. Strangely, i have rarely come across this type of ‘back street breeding’ amount the working world, although I’m sure it does sometimes happen.

I have come across dog’s who do not meet the breed standard in any way, being bred because the owner thinks their “ lovelyâ€, or because they think their dog should have a litter. Many have not been health tested, and many owner’s are asking for stud dog’s, while openly stating they don’t care about looks, pedigree or health check’s. (i could tell you the website, but that may be against the rule’s)

There’s one lady now, who have a dog from working stock, although this dog’s never worked a day in its life, and she actually admits to being against hunting, but she’s going to breed her bitch and sell the pup’s as working dogs. Now that kinds of breeding get’s me pretty mad, because that bitch is being bred for money.

When someone's paying hundred's for a dog, they should expect good stock

[Guest WILF]

my last litter cost me over £2000 to produce.

 

and sold for how much?

[clay man 0]

yes weIirish are taken over you cant beet a good Irish b******d (hound) nobody wants full breads

they want cross breads :whistling:

[farlap 19]

my last litter cost me over £2000 to produce.

 

and sold for how much?

wilf....that was the deficit i was left with after selling 5 out of the 7 puppies in my last litter.

[Crow 1]

..can you imagine if they mated it to some unsuitable dog and had pups with some inherited problem..

 

Would they really care? After all, as long as it looked OK!

 

To my mind the KC have ruined many good breeds and created nothing more than animals that fit the fashion of the day. Take the English Bull Terrier for example. Some t~~t at the KC decided that the flat forehead was no longer what is required but a rounded lamb-type head was instead. Why? Look at the Bulldog - f~~ked. And we could go on and on and find animals with all sorts of problems to do with hearing, bone growth, breathing, etc, etc. To my way of thinking if we want to save dogs breeds then the first thing that should be done is the Kennel Club disbanded. Then the true enthusiasts of the breed can be left to do it properly.

 

As for placing breeding restrictions on an animal then I simply wouldn't buy an animal with that in place. And to the breeders that do this I would ask the following question: If you don't think the buyer has the good of the dog/breed at heart or the knowleadge required then why are you selling them a dog in the first place? I wouldn't sell any animal to anyone if I thought they didn't know what they were doing irrespective of how big the wad of notes on offer was!

 

Crow

[farlap 19]

..can you imagine if they mated it to some unsuitable dog and had pups with some inherited problem..

 

Would they really care? After all, as long as it looked OK!

 

To my mind the KC have ruined many good breeds and created nothing more than animals that fit the fashion of the day. Take the English Bull Terrier for example. Some t~~t at the KC decided that the flat forehead was no longer what is required but a rounded lamb-type head was instead. Why? Look at the Bulldog - f~~ked. And we could go on and on and find animals with all sorts of problems to do with hearing, bone growth, breathing, etc, etc. To my way of thinking if we want to save dogs breeds then the first thing that should be done is the Kennel Club disbanded. Then the true enthusiasts of the breed can be left to do it properly.

 

As for placing breeding restrictions on an animal then I simply wouldn't buy an animal with that in place. And to the breeders that do this I would ask the following question: If you don't think the buyer has the good of the dog/breed at heart or the knowleadge required then why are you selling them a dog in the first place? I wouldn't sell any animal to anyone if I thought they didn't know what they were doing irrespective of how big the wad of notes on offer was!

 

Crow

most inherited problems have nothing to do with looks. Im talking about producing something that carries epilepsy because the novice owner didnt understand about the problem in another dogs lines, or producing something with UAP because the novice owner didnt know about BVA testing, or cardiomyopathy or systemic shunt....and so on....got nothing whatsoever to do with looks....but has everything to do with producing a healthy dog that can still do the function it was originally designed to do without falling seriously ill or becoming crippled because the novice owner knew nothing about inherited problems.

[Crow 1]

You're right, most inherited problems have nothing to do with looks - that's why they are not particularly important to those who breed for conformation rather than constitution (and you surely aren't denying that there are many breeds out there that have problems caused in the pursuit of the perfect 'type'?).

 

That's why I think the amateurs at the KC should be got rid of, and the true enthusiasts who know something about the origins of the breed be left to bring the breeds back to their former glory.

 

Crow

[Chaz 6]

..can you imagine if they mated it to some unsuitable dog and had pups with some inherited problem..

 

Would they really care? After all, as long as it looked OK!

 

To my mind the KC have ruined many good breeds and created nothing more than animals that fit the fashion of the day. Take the English Bull Terrier for example. Some t~~t at the KC decided that the flat forehead was no longer what is required but a rounded lamb-type head was instead. Why? Look at the Bulldog - f~~ked. And we could go on and on and find animals with all sorts of problems to do with hearing, bone growth, breathing, etc, etc. To my way of thinking if we want to save dogs breeds then the first thing that should be done is the Kennel Club disbanded. Then the true enthusiasts of the breed can be left to do it properly.

 

As for placing breeding restrictions on an animal then I simply wouldn't buy an animal with that in place. And to the breeders that do this I would ask the following question: If you don't think the buyer has the good of the dog/breed at heart or the knowleadge required then why are you selling them a dog in the first place? I wouldn't sell any animal to anyone if I thought they didn't know what they were doing irrespective of how big the wad of notes on offer was!

 

Crow

most inherited problems have nothing to do with looks. Im talking about producing something that carries epilepsy because the novice owner didnt understand about the problem in another dogs lines, or producing something with UAP because the novice owner didnt know about BVA testing, or cardiomyopathy or systemic shunt....and so on....got nothing whatsoever to do with looks....but has everything to do with producing a healthy dog that can still do the function it was originally designed to do without falling seriously ill or becoming crippled because the novice owner knew nothing about inherited problems.

 

 

In my opinion the "PROPER BREEDERS" who test should be culling anything that are showing inheritable illness rather than passing them on to unsuspecting new owners because lets face it most backyard breeders will breed off the dogs papers or not and if they do not have the papers then they will be using the "Stud nextdoor" which probably has no papers and which may well be another CULL carrying inheritable defects, so not doing the breed any favours, or are they only representatives of the breed if they have a piece of paper saying so