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[WILF 46,811]

21 minutes ago, eastcoast said:

No matter what it has messed up our recruitment in regard to FFP for this season. £50M and goodness how much in wages. No different than a long term injury I suppose and Longstaff gets more of a chance with the big money signing not being an option anymore. 

I’d imagine it’s counted as breech of contract so you could bin him off with no repercussions imho…..or, you wait, see what penalty they hand him and stand by him if you think it’s worth it.

I don’t think the club is powerless in all this, worst ways round they terminate and look for another player and that surely can’t count towards your FFP obligations because you will get the money back off the insurance ? …….effectively you won’t have spent it ?

Edited October 19, 2023 by WILF

[chartpolski 23,538]

16 minutes ago, WILF said:

I’d imagine it’s counted as breech of contract so you could bin him off with no repercussions imho…..or, you wait, see what penalty they hand him and stand by him if you think it’s worth it.

I don’t think the club is powerless in all this, worst ways round they terminate and look for another player and that surely can’t count towards your FFP obligations because you will get the money back off the insurance ? …….effectively you won’t have spent it ?

General consensus is he will get a 12 month ban. The other guy who held his hands up immediately and shopped Tonali and another player, got a 7 month ban, leniency for helping the investigation.

Newcastle have said they'll stand by Tonali, but that may change if he gets the maximum 3 year ban.

Cheers.

[Blackmag 6,089]

On 19/10/2023 at 08:53, NEWKID said:

Don't you think that's to protect what is quite a weak centre back pairing? 

If you look at the attacking players he uses, he always plays 4, this time Kane, Rashford, Bellingham and Foden, with 2 holding midfielders.. Rice and Phillips.. who would you lose? 

Would you leave out Phillips for say a fit Saka, or Maddison and play Bellingham as a no 8 type midfielder? I thought he was fantastic  in that no 10 role the other night, maybe shoe Horning all of our best attacking players in one side will destabilise the team?

Fair point but is rashford really doing anything club level that he couldn't be replaced at international level  Bellingham would certainly have to start given his form I think maddison should be given a start given his current form we have so many talented players it's hard granted I agree are centre backs are soft 

[WILF 46,811]

2 hours ago, Blackmag said:

Fair point but is rashford really doing anything club level that he couldn't be replaced at international level  Bellingham would certainly have to start given his form I think maddison should be given a start given his current form we have so many talented players it's hard granted I agree are centre backs are soft 

I think Rashford has been awful in the last couple of games I have watched him play 

[eastcoast 4,122]

Murphy's goal against Palace. A cross or a fluke? It matters not. A prime example of a player who looked destined to drop down a division from the EPL never to return not that long ago. Simply not an EPL quality player. What changed that, and it has happened to quite a few at Newcastle? Is Eddy Howe in possession of football's Philosopher's Stone and can create gold from lead? Could it be something as simple as getting the players fit and training them properly with a real game plan that they all understand? It would be interesting to find out Almiron, Sean Longstaff, Schar, Joelinton, Willock, Anderson and most recently Jermaine Lascelles' opinion. Yes, some cleverly bought quality has been added but more than half of this joyous to watch squad was already there. Callum Wilson not included, class from day one.

Edited October 21, 2023 by eastcoast

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,912]

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with the fitness to be honest in a round about way . 

change is a massive thing across industries in general with people being trained in positions of agents of change / transition . 
 

Without sounding like uncle Albert , I’m in the army and I’ve seen things like that happen in our workplace , someone arrives keen , willing to change , adapt and you can see the transformation happen literally in front of you . At the moment I train with a lad about my age and he swears by running no further than 1000 m at a time .  That might sound insane to some but my 5km time has massively decreased , my running partner is my 11 year older is girl , she’s got 8 mins quicker in three weeks purely by training differently. 
 

so back to the topic , Newcastle seem very much riding the crest of a wave . Howe seems to relishing the opportunity to motivate and test his players in ways they never have before . I’d like to imagine there’s been a behind the scenes overhaul with the s and c and nutrition / recovery in training. They will now be attracting the best in class in these fields with that budget . To be honest I’m massively impressed with them and I find them extremely likeable to watch . Fair play to them 

[jukel123 8,017]

Apparently Howe has been sounded out already for the England job. I suggested him as a possible England manager  a few seasons back, but a certain Londoner/ Irish immigrant wrote that I was writing  bollocks. I almost always do, but on that occasion I was on the mark. I think he will lead England in the not too distant future. Kneel to me Wilf. If not now, then when he's given the job. Lol

Edited October 21, 2023 by jukel123

[eastcoast 4,122]

14 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Apparently Howe has been sounded out already for the England job. I suggested him as a possible England manager  a few seasons back, but a certain Londoner/ Irish immigrant wrote that I was writing  bollocks. I almost always do, but on that occasion I was on the mark. I think he will lead England in the not too distant future. Kneel to me Wilf. If not now, then when he's given the job. Lol

The last Newcastle United manager being courted by England was Alan Pardew after, I think, 5th place for us. Just enjoying the football at the moment and well aware that it can, and probably will, go tits up at any time 

[chartpolski 23,538]

Howe has already said he is not interested in the England job.

I think he sees the Newcastle job as a project that will put him amongst the elite managers if it goes well.

He doesn’t want the abuse and ridicule that so often goes with the England job.

Cheers.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,912]

38 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Apparently Howe has been sounded out already for the England job. I suggested him as a possible England manager  a few seasons back, but a certain Londoner/ Irish immigrant wrote that I was writing  bollocks. I almost always do, but on that occasion I was on the mark. I think he will lead England in the not too distant future. Kneel to me Wilf. If not now, then when he's given the job. Lol

Lol by who ? Who has sounded him out? 

of all the English managers employed , id say he was arguably the least likely to take it . Why would he? 

 

[jukel123 8,017]

All politicians and football managers say they are happy where they are and are not thinking of moving. But privately they all want the top job.

Stiff  if you google 'Howe England' there are several sports journalists claiming Howe has been sounded out about the job. These sports hacks are often on the nail.That's their job.

CP, the England job is a poisoned   chalice, the tabloids will rip any manager to pieces as soon as there's a bad result. However sometimes along comes a manager that's tailor made for the job. Howe is that man. He's big enough to take the heat.

The FA have f****d up time and again. They missed out on two of the best England managers  never to have been given the job: the genius Clough and the magician Jack  Charlton. They f****d up with the slimy Swede and the ignorant Italian. Surely they can't f**k up again when the answer is staring them in the face!

I believe he will take the job if it is offered. It's destiny. Engand expects.

The bookies have the top three England manager contenders as Lee Carsley. Who? Graham Potter...loser, and Eddie Howe... whose former team Bournemouth progressed from the fourth to division to the Premiership on gates of 12000! He's transformed habitual losers Newcastle United into a top four team and made first class signings. He's tactically brilliant and  an assured and impressive media man.

Who would you appoint?

 Remember lads, you heard it here first.Lol

 

Edited October 21, 2023 by jukel123

[WILF 46,811]

If I was Eddie Howe I would not touch the England job with a barge pole !….

Why would you ?

He is in a club where it’s obviously a project, he is getting to implement a culture and a way of playing, the fans are behind him, the players are obviously behind him….only the likes of Guardiola & Klopp & Arteta can boast anything like what Eddie Howe is getting to do.

This will set his coaching career for life……it makes absolutely no sense to go and even consider the England job. 
It’s a massive backwards step. 

[chartpolski 23,538]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

If I was Eddie Howe I would not touch the England job with a barge pole !….

Why would you ?

He is in a club where it’s obviously a project, he is getting to implement a culture and a way of playing, the fans are behind him, the players are obviously behind him….only the likes of Guardiola & Klopp & Arteta can boast anything like what Eddie Howe is getting to do.

This will set his coaching career for life……it makes absolutely no sense to go and even consider the England job. 
It’s a massive backwards step. 

And the fact that if he wins a trophy, any meaningful trophy, he will instantly become a Newcastle legend, a hero.

He's doing everything right at the moment, both on and off the pitch, look at the way he handled the Tonali situation yesterday, the fans were 100% behind him.

He seems to be on the same wavelength as the players, the fans, Mandy, the Reuben's and the Saudis, all acting together to make the project a success.

There will be bumps in the road, undoubtedly, but my guess is he's here for the long haul.

Cheers.

[jukel123 8,017]

What you write is true CP, Wilf. It's a shame the England job has been devalued, mainly by the press. The job is now seen as second rate . Not to be touched with a barge pole. What a tragedy.

I hope at some point Howe is given a crack at the job. I think a lot of players and fans would really get behind a manager of his calibre.

[WILF 46,811]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

What you write is true CP, Wilf. It's a shame the England job has been devalued, mainly by the press. The job is now seen as second rate . Not to be touched with a barge pole. What a tragedy.

I hope at some point Howe is given a crack at the job. I think a lot of players and fans would really get behind a manager of his calibre.

I don’t think it’s devalued mate, it’s just different.

With the England job you have the players for what ?….6 weeks a year plus tournaments ? 
They are all coming from different clubs with different cultures and different ways of playing…..it’s not something you build, it’s something you have to mesh together and make work which I think Southgate has done a brilliant job at.

I think given the choice, most coaches would want to build something because it’s just a more satisfying thing but if you have a talent for instilling a method and bringing people together in short time scales then the England job is probably what you want. 
 

Don’t know for sure of course, it’s just my opinion