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[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,103]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Nah, I've lived a long time. I remember a lot of players. Keane was good but not great imo. 

Stiff, if you were a manager and had to choose between Souness and Keane . Who would you pick? Keane and Bryan Robson? Keane or Bobby Charlton?

 A different point, Rice is very overated when compared with midfielders of the past. For beginners, he doesn't score enough goals. Compare him the likes of Frank Lampard. His fee was delusional. I get that Lampard was less a defensive midfielder but Rice's goal  ontribution makes his fee seem daft to me.

 

Keane is above robson imho purely as he wasn’t injured every 5 mins , that’s the true comparative there as the others were all very different players 

don’t know why your on about rice , the transfers are what the current market is at , that’s it in reality , not really much sway with that . Looks at pogba for example 

[jukel123 8,333]

27 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Keane is above robson imho purely as he wasn’t injured every 5 mins , that’s the true comparative there as the others were all very different players 

don’t know why your on about rice , the transfers are what the current market is at , that’s it in reality , not really much sway with that . Looks at pogba for example 

Robson played 737.. goals 147

Keane played 676 ... goals 87

Robson was voted Man U greatest ever player but Man U supporters.

Robson had everything mate. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by jukel123

[WILF 47,345]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

 

 A different point, Rice is very overated when compared with midfielders of the past. For beginners, he doesn't score enough goals. Compare him the likes of Frank Lampard. His fee was delusional. I get that Lampard was less a defensive midfielder but Rice's goal  ontribution makes his fee seem daft to me.

 

Declan Rice is a player mate, have no doubt in your mind about that !

And, with all due respect you are not making much sense ?

For starters Lampard was an 8 and Rice is a 6.

Lampard was playing in a team of absolute killers and Rice (at 24) has spent his entire career at a club who’s sole goal is staying up every year and hopefully grabbing 10th (as a rule of thumb) 

Rice has had 6 games under a coach who will possibly give him the freedom to get forward more but his role is bigger.

Every team needs a Dunga, the uninitiated don’t really notice the Dunga type players but their contribution is essential. 
 

I have said since I watched Rice playing Cheltenham away when he was about 19 that the lad is so good you don’t notice him…..everything he does is simple in an age where everyone wants to be seen doing the impossible. 
Simple is a hard skill  

I watched a video of Rice driving passes 50 yds into a goal the size of a wash bin !!……and I mean pinging them.

Lads a baller mate, clubs like Arsenal don’t cough up a hundred million quid on empty tracksuits pal  

[WILF 47,345]

21 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Robson played 737.. goals 147

Keane played 676 ... goals 87

Robson was voted Man U greatest ever player but Man U supporters.

Robson had everything mate. 

Keanes trophy cabinet would disagree with you mate ! Lol 

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4 minutes ago, WILF said:

Declan Rice is a player mate, have no doubt in your mind about that !

And, with all due respect you are not making much sense ?

For starters Lampard was an 8 and Rice is a 6.

Lampard was playing in a team of absolute killers and Rice (at 24) has spent his entire career at a club who’s sole goal is staying up every year and hopefully grabbing 10th (as a rule of thumb) 

Rice has had 6 games under a coach who will possibly give him the freedom to get forward more but his role is bigger.

Every team needs a Dunga, the uninitiated don’t really notice the Dunga type players but their contribution is essential. 
 

I have said since I watched Rice playing Cheltenham away when he was about 19 that the lad is so good you don’t notice him…..everything he does is simple in an age where everyone wants to be seen doing the impossible. 
Simple is a hard skill  

I watched a video of Rice driving passes 50 yds into a goal the size of a wash bin !!……and I mean pinging them.

Lads a baller mate, clubs like Arsenal don’t cough up a hundred million quid on empty tracksuits pal  

Understand what you are saying and I will be the first to hold my hands up if he develops into a top top player. At the moment ,for me,he has a way to go.

[WILF 47,345]

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

Understand what you are saying and I will be the first to hold my hands up if he develops into a top top player. At the moment ,for me,he has a way to go.

Of course he has, but give him a chance…..he has done nothing but fight fires and protect a back 4 for the last 5 years ! Lol 

[jukel123 8,333]

23 minutes ago, WILF said:

Keanes trophy cabinet would disagree with you mate ! Lol 

You are not comparing like with like. Keane played with far more gifted players than Robson. 

Alan Shearer's trophy  cabinet has cobwebs in it and is haunted by a ghost wailing "shudda signed for a bigger club,shudda signed for a bigger club".

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,103]

54 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

5 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

You are not comparing like with like. Keane played with far more gifted players than Robson. 

Alan Shearer's trophy  cabinet has cobwebs in it and is haunted by a ghost wailing "shudda signed for a bigger club,shudda signed for a bigger club".

No is disputing captain fantastic however you’re also moving the goalposts significantly, shearer maybe pilotless but touted as a people’s champion in one club . Ronaldo thought nothing of loyalty’s to fans and moved freely over two of the worlds biggest rivalries without a second thought to chase money and glory . Think he cares? 
 

 

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Just now, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

No is disputing captain fantastic however you’re also moving the goalposts significantly, shearer maybe pilotless but touted as a people’s champion in one club . Ronaldo thought nothing of loyalty’s to fans and moved freely over two of the worlds biggest rivalries without a second thought to chase money and glory . Think he cares? 
 

 

Shearer's achievement in topping the premier league goal, scoring record is  phenomal. Hats off to him for scoring that number of goals in a bum team. But I am sure he must think..." What if?" OK he is a god on Tyneside  but the history books record trophies not the adoration  of fans.

I was astonished to see Kane move to Germany. He had a good chance of beating that record. Maybe it means more to fans than players.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,103]

4 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Shearer's achievement in topping the premier league goal, scoring record is  phenomal. Hats off to him for scoring that number of goals in a bum team. But I am sure he must think..." What if?" OK he is a god on Tyneside  but the history books record trophies not the adoration  of fans.

I was astonished to see Kane move to Germany. He had a good chance of beating that record. Maybe it means more to fans than players.

You’re a long time dead , and before that you have a long time to reflect on your regrets . Personally I think kane was on his bike a few seasons ago and now , with a new unknown in reality manager in , was the perfect line in the sand for him to him to close the lid at Tottenham and line his shelves . 

[jukel123 8,333]

Just now, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

You’re a long time dead , and before that you have a long time to reflect on your regrets . Personally I think kane was on his bike a few seasons ago and now , with a new unknown in reality manager in , was the perfect line in the sand for him to him to close the lid at Tottenham and line his shelves . 

But why not Man U? Levy in the way?

[NEWKID 27,263]

12 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

But why not Man U? Levy in the way?

He wants to win things and currently UTD, even with Kane wouldn't....his move to City fell through and that would've killed him as it was his only chance of winning big title in this country...Levy f****d him imo 2 years ago

[WILF 47,345]

14 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

But why not Man U? Levy in the way?

Because he is in with a shout of winning something at Bayern !

[NEWKID 27,263]

As a UTD fan its a hard decision between Robbo and Keane, I'm younger than Jukel and not from the area, but Robson was my favourite player as a kid...he had the lot... but so did Keane, forget stats, Keane was a monster in the midfield, a proper player and respected by everyone who played with or against him... I'm surprised at the remark about not technically gifted!! He was 2 footed, good in the air, could tackle, beat a player, arrive late in the box to score, score from outside of the box, lead a team better than anyone ..nah he was very very gifted

[NEWKID 27,263]

26 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Shearer's achievement in topping the premier league goal, scoring record is  phenomal. Hats off to him for scoring that number of goals in a bum team. But I am sure he must think..." What if?" OK he is a god on Tyneside  but the history books record trophies not the adoration  of fans.

I was astonished to see Kane move to Germany. He had a good chance of beating that record. Maybe it means more to fans than players.

Shearer scored a fair whack at Blackburn as well mate... plus the side he played in at Newcastle was perhaps the most attack minded and entertaining side ever in  the Prem .. ginola, ferdinand, asprilla, Albert...he had some service!!