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[WILF 47,344]

1 hour ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

When Phillips started last week he looked like he’d just come back from Marbella . At least 5 kg overweight . 
 

what an indication of the modern player  that a lad in one the greatest current club sides with an endless budget in fitness facilities etc , goes on loan to a top 8 prem club in the final third of the season and can’t even turn up match ready . 
 

maybe that shows exactly why he wasn’t in the running at Man City 

I’ve always said it, top clubs don’t get rid of good players….they have seen enough to know what they are looking at.

 

[chartpolski 24,128]

10 minutes ago, WILF said:

I’ve always said it, top clubs don’t get rid of good players….they have seen enough to know what they are looking at.

 

That’s exactly why I didn’t want him at Newcastle. If he can’t get a game at City, why should we, a club with aspirations to be up there with them, want him, especially with the financial package City we’re wanting ?

Cheers.

[gnasher16 30,220]

I think you chaps are being a bit harsh......keeping in mind City paid 45 mill for him are we to assume they dont know what they're looking at,theres no chance of a permanent signing remember......just because a player cant get into probably the greatest side in world football at the moment doesnt mean he aint up to much and doesnt mean he couldnt do a job or be a good fit for my little Hammers.

[NEWKID 27,235]

7 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

I think you chaps are being a bit harsh......keeping in mind City paid 45 mill for him are we to assume they dont know what they're looking at,theres no chance of a permanent signing remember......just because a player cant get into probably the greatest side in world football at the moment doesnt mean he aint up to much and doesnt mean he couldnt do a job or be a good fit for my little Hammers.

I agree, he'd certainly not match fit or anywhere near sharp enough, but he doesn't turn into a shit player over night... he is nowhere near Rhodri and City play with one holding midfielder, so if Rhodri is fit (90% of the time he is) then he plays... don't mean Phillips wouldn't do good job elsewhere, I do agree with Charts though, it's a lot for a player on loan, especially if you can't purchase at end of season, Moyes is looking at getting into Europe again and the money that brings, so you need a bit of depth... not a bad deal imo

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,102]

Fair , but I don’t think anyone is doubting his ability . I think personally that Phillips is one of the luckiest players in the world as he is the epitome of bang average but he’s bang average consistently. Nothing flash , just high pressure and always available . That type of play takes nothing to work at other than your fitness . 
 

if he can’t maintain his fitness what a poor indicator of his overall attitude 

edited to say that the man is an England international, he should be doing these things par for the course 

[WILF 47,344]

54 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

I think you chaps are being a bit harsh......keeping in mind City paid 45 mill for him are we to assume they dont know what they're looking at,theres no chance of a permanent signing remember......just because a player cant get into probably the greatest side in world football at the moment doesnt mean he aint up to much and doesnt mean he couldnt do a job or be a good fit for my little Hammers.

 

43 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

I agree, he'd certainly not match fit or anywhere near sharp enough, but he doesn't turn into a shit player over night... he is nowhere near Rhodri and City play with one holding midfielder, so if Rhodri is fit (90% of the time he is) then he plays... don't mean Phillips wouldn't do good job elsewhere, I do agree with Charts though, it's a lot for a player on loan, especially if you can't purchase at end of season, Moyes is looking at getting into Europe again and the money that brings, so you need a bit of depth... not a bad deal imo

Yeah, fair shout boys.

My guess (and it is only a guess) is that first of all, they can afford to take punts on players.

Having taken this punt on a lad who no doubt has ability, he isn’t quiet what they thought he was either mentally ?, Physically?, attitude ?

They have put him out to see if he can come good.

If he does, brilliant…..if he don’t, then they can afford to swallow a few million quid and move on. 
 
If he was upto it, they wouldn’t shift him out ?

What do you reckon ?

 

[chartpolski 24,128]

11 minutes ago, WILF said:

 

Yeah, fair shout boys.

My guess (and it is only a guess) is that first of all, they can afford to take punts on players.

Having taken this punt on a lad who no doubt has ability, he isn’t quiet what they thought he was either mentally ?, Physically?, attitude ?

They have put him out to see if he can come good.

If he does, brilliant…..if he don’t, then they can afford to swallow a few million quid and move on. 
 
If he was upto it, they wouldn’t shift him out ?

What do you reckon ?

 

I think Newcastle thought “Hmmm, £7,000,000 for less than half a season, Pay his full wages , £150,000 a week, just so we can get him match fit for City to take him back, no option to buy ….  nah ! “
Cheers.

[NEWKID 27,235]

2 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Fair , but I don’t think anyone is doubting his ability . I think personally that Phillips is one of the luckiest players in the world as he is the epitome of bang average but he’s bang average consistently. Nothing flash , just high pressure and always available . That type of play takes nothing to work at other than your fitness . 
 

if he can’t maintain his fitness what a poor indicator of his overall attitude 

edited to say that the man is an England international, he should be doing these things par for the course 

2 years ago he was exactly what you want in a midfielder, I'm sure we talked about him mate and said we were impressed, he has ability no doubt avd i agree does everything well, hes not a match winner but plays his role exactly as he should... I think there's a big difference between being fit and match sharp, he looks like he hasn't played a competitive 90 mins for nigh on 2 years, which he hasn't.. I'm pretty sure he'd be fine on a bleep test, or long run/sprint training...but the premier league is so fast you have to be on it every second and currently he ain't 

[NEWKID 27,235]

2 hours ago, WILF said:

 

Yeah, fair shout boys.

My guess (and it is only a guess) is that first of all, they can afford to take punts on players.

Having taken this punt on a lad who no doubt has ability, he isn’t quiet what they thought he was either mentally ?, Physically?, attitude ?

They have put him out to see if he can come good.

If he does, brilliant…..if he don’t, then they can afford to swallow a few million quid and move on. 
 
If he was upto it, they wouldn’t shift him out ?

What do you reckon ?

 

As my reply to Stff, I don't think.hes match sharp, and it's a big gamble to get him there by throwing him.into matches.. but Moyes has rolled the dice and can't leave him in the bench on those wages! 

I think Pep more than any other manager, maybe ever, has an absolute blueprint for a player and it has to absolutely fit, look at how Grealish has changed his game, just being showy would never be enough, there has to be an end product in everything you do, whether its a simple 5 yard pass played perfectly or smashing a 25 yarder in, there is minimal waste... Rhodri is the epitome of that, he wastes nothing, as a holding type midfielder he's among the best around, unfortunately Phillips hasn't adjusted enough or just isn't good enough to force his way in, doesn't mean he's turned into a shit player, but the standard now at City is probably higher than any other club I'm the world...it is no way a slight on West Ham to be taking an out ic favour City player

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[NEWKID 27,235]

2 hours ago, chartpolski said:

I think Newcastle thought “Hmmm, £7,000,000 for less than half a season, Pay his full wages , £150,000 a week, just so we can get him match fit for City to take him back, no option to buy ….  nah ! “
Cheers.

Yeah that's where the deal looks dodgy mate, didn't West Ham do the sane with Lindegard a few years back? Had a great loan spell with them but couldn't sign him?

It's a big gamble monetarily wise, but perhaps West Ham can't full that huge hole Rice left behind, and with them.in around the top 6 see Phillips as the perfect player to push for Europe..as Wilf says they must have the money to back it...or perhaps there is an agreement somewhere to extend/sign?

I'd also say at Newcastle with Guimerez and Linton you have a very strong spine.. perhaps more so than West Ham?

[chartpolski 24,128]

7 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

Yeah that's where the deal looks dodgy mate, didn't West Ham do the sane with Lindegard a few years back? Had a great loan spell with them but couldn't sign him?

It's a big gamble monetarily wise, but perhaps West Ham can't full that huge hole Rice left behind, and with them.in around the top 6 see Phillips as the perfect player to push for Europe..as Wilf says they must have the money to back it...or perhaps there is an agreement somewhere to extend/sign?

I'd also say at Newcastle with Guimerez and Linton you have a very strong spine.. perhaps more so than West Ham?

Phillips was looked on to be a stand in for our marquee signing, Tonali, who is suspended until next season, but the young lad Miley has been a revelation , and Longstaff is playing out of his skin, plus Willock will be back after injury , so I think Howe just decided that Philips probably wouldn’t be an upgrade worth the money that City wanted, especially with us struggling with FFP.

This should change in the summer with the Addidas and Sela sponsorship coming on line and the money we are getting from the Champions League.

Maybe City wanted such a big loan fee and for us to pay his full wages as they are also acutely aware of not coming under even more scrutiny than they already are because of FFP ?

Cheers.

[Dutch 267]

2 hours ago, chartpolski said:

I think Newcastle thought “Hmmm, £7,000,000 for less than half a season, Pay his full wages , £150,000 a week, just so we can get him match fit for City to take him back, no option to buy ….  nah ! “
Cheers.

On the flip side, if he regains his form from his Leeds days and helps us finish 6th with a good run in Europe, it will be money well spent regardless of whether he stays or not

Starting him against Bournemouth was a clanger on Moyes behalf, now the poor lads under the spot light and journo’s enjoy kicking people when they’re down 

[Dutch 267]

On 03/02/2024 at 09:08, WILF said:

Have they painted over your man’s  murals he done of himself down there yet ? Lol 

Its a nice ground Billericay, very decent facility.

arts subjective - who am I to judge 

Just had a long break in Bermuda where there’s some good murals… West Ham are massive

[WILF 47,344]

51 minutes ago, Dutch said:

arts subjective - who am I to judge 

Just had a long break in Bermuda where there’s some good murals… West Ham are massive

Bermuda or Australia ? Lol 

[Dutch 267]

6 minutes ago, WILF said:

Bermuda or Australia ? Lol 

Any assistance would be appreciated