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[gnasher16 30,220]

On 08/10/2023 at 23:25, jukel123 said:

Only non premier league side to win the win FA Cup. But there's been a few teams who have won it from the second tier of English football. I like West Ham. Wonderful feeder club for Man Utd. 

It was before the Premier League was even thought about but yes my mistake i meant to say " last " not " only ".

Regards feeder club i always thought it must be embarrassing for all those supposedly " top " clubs of the day having to rely on little West Ham to fill the void of talent in their own local areas.

[gnasher16 30,220]

17 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Very bored tonight. So another tedious post. Just been reading this article. BBC sport readers have got to be weird coming up with this golden 11.

Pickford? Pickford? Pickford? I had to look at the date to check it wasn't April the first. No place for  Shearer? Lampard? I can think of half a dozen others. Saka is brilliant but he's a kid, his stats haven't even begun to be counted yet.

No Paul Scholes? Kyle Walker over Gary Neville? Your England Golden Generation XI - BBC Sport

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No Paul Scholes? Kyle Walker over Gary Neville at right back? BBC Sport readers have chosen their 'Golden Generation XI' made up of players from the modern era...

 

Decent side that though not sure about Sol Campbell.....id have Walker over Neville all day long and Scholes no not sure about him he never really turned it on in an England shirt......im sure he'll go on to be a great but shouldnt be putting Bellingham in there yet over Lampard....not for me anyway.

Edited October 19, 2023 by gnasher16

[gnasher16 30,220]

15 hours ago, NEWKID said:

Heres one...if Southgate doesn't win a trophy will he be seen as a failure?

Robson and Venables from recent'ish years are seen as successes to many, they were close, but still only a semi final... Southgate reached the final, a semi, qualified out of the hardest group on paper this time... but... he has hell of a squad of players, this lot really can win something??

He wont be but personally i think he should be.....this is without doubt the best squad of players we've had since ive been alive if we dont win a major tournament in this era id have to wonder if a more seasoned manager like a Robson/Venables could have with the same squad.

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22 hours ago, WILF said:

Funny enough I was having that conversation this morning with my boy telling him how forwards used to have to be every bit as tough, brave and physical as any centre back. 
 

The conversation has been done to death a bit on here but I still remember if the keeper didn’t have two hands on the ball you could bury it, challenge the keeper at corners etc….now all players are (over ?) protected and I think there are good and bad sides to that. 
 

For young players like my lad who has just started his adult football career (15 turning 16) I don’t think I’d want to see him getting smashed by some absolute donkey of a back or midfielder…..I remember how old boys treated me and my pals when we were young and they would really try and hurt you.

At the same time, the physical battle is a massive part of the game and one you have to learn by way of combat so it’s a hard one ?

Surely now though the physical battle for want of a better word is who is the fittest rather than who is the strongest.....how many times do we see top teams scoring late on against sides they have literally worked to death and exhausted.......i get down the Hammers Academy now and again and the lads are all prancing about with heart monitors,lifting weights has been replaced with beep tests i think the fitness in top level football today is at a level most people cant fully appreciate.

[jukel123 8,333]

38 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

It was before the Premier League was even thought about but yes my mistake i meant to say " last " not " only ".

Regards feeder club i always thought it must be embarrassing for all those supposedly " top " clubs of the day having to rely on little West Ham to fill the void of talent in their own local areas.

Each premier league club wants results yesterday and won't put in the infrastructure to nurture local talent. We all know Celtic won the European cup with 11 players born within 30 miles of the club. If it was possible then, its possible now. Sometimes they produce players and are too frightened to give them a chance.  The whole game is obsessed with star players and rely on silly money transfers.

I think we've said before there should be a law which says there should be a quota of home grown players in every squad. That would concentrate clubs minds on proper coaching of youngsters.

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32 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Each premier league club wants results yesterday and won't put in the infrastructure to nurture local talent. We all know Celtic won the European cup with 11 players born within 30 miles of the club. If it was possible then, its possible now. Sometimes they produce players and are too frightened to give them a chance.  The whole game is obsessed with star players and rely on silly money transfers.

I think we've said before there should be a law which says there should be a quota of home grown players in every squad. That would concentrate clubs minds on proper coaching of youngsters.

Pride has been stripped away from the game and society in general...i used to feel really proud when lads like Lampard,Rio etc went to big clubs as for me your football club represents your area,of course id prefer they stayed at West Ham but i wouldnt begrudge them their moves.......the home grown players should be not just English players but local.....4 or 5 in every team named....lets see who really are the " big " clubs once finance is out the way.....it'll never happen of course but future sport is facing a dangerous predicament in my opinion as we're seeing not only in football but boxing as well.......where competition is no longer the driving force.

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On 06/10/2023 at 10:44, WILF said:

True, and he is proving that I don’t know what I’m talking about weekly.

I got rid of the sky so I have not watched a whole West Ham  game this season so I can’t comment on how they are playing.

I know what I watched last season and that was shite despite the results, I loathe the bloke and the negative anti football style he brings (or at least did to the games I watched last year) but that just different football philosophies.

Id be more in Howes camp of how to play, that the other night was a perfect mixture of brave attacking football and good disciplined defensive work.

They broke everywhere on the attack but dropped into a 5 in mid field in defence but kept it high (despite facing Mbappe) so that they could easily go and win the ball quickly and then get forward to support.

Its not being stupid but retaining a belief in your own ability and the ability of your team mates…..great stuff.

I don’t care about results, sitting 9 in your own box is a c**ts turnout and Moyes can f**k off for all I care ! Lol 

The ray of sunshine for me at our club is the quality of our squad and the fact we have that Steiden from Leverkusen now, that should be a perfect foil to Moyes worst urges ! 

The first and last sentence fit so well together 

In the current climate of sport a manager like Moyse to a club like us is good,sensible business......i honestly thought we would go down after moving grounds but you look at the last 3 or 4 seasons and he has taken us out of the nosedive we was in.....6th....7th....then wins a European competition the year after being in a European semi final.....the club is making money,making good signings,punching quite hard at a good level and looking like a pretty decent club all round with solidity and stability......not all but much of that is down to David Moyes and while a certain section of fans dont like his style of football and will prefer a risk taker in charge,look at what Moyes has done in the last 4 years during a vital time for the football club.....sometimes we just have to keep who,what and where we are a little bit real.

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8 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

The first and last sentence fit so well together 

In the current climate of sport a manager like Moyse to a club like us is good,sensible business......i honestly thought we would go down after moving grounds but you look at the last 3 or 4 seasons and he has taken us out of the nosedive we was in.....6th....7th....then wins a European competition the year after being in a European semi final.....the club is making money,making good signings,punching quite hard at a good level and looking like a pretty decent club all round with solidity and stability......not all but much of that is down to David Moyes and while a certain section of fans dont like his style of football and will prefer a risk taker in charge,look at what Moyes has done in the last 4 years during a vital time for the football club.....sometimes we just have to keep who,what and where we are a little bit real.

Hands up, they showed a bit more of the open play in the last couple of MOTD that I watched and it was good mate and that means so far this season I have to swallow !……that don’t mean I’m a Moyes fan because I’m not and never really have been.

However, I was absolutely sure we would get murdered playing like we played last season but we haven’t and if anything the bits I have seen are miles in front so I was totally wrong on that score upto this point.

 

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1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Each premier league club wants results yesterday and won't put in the infrastructure to nurture local talent. We all know Celtic won the European cup with 11 players born within 30 miles of the club. If it was possible then, its possible now. Sometimes they produce players and are too frightened to give them a chance.  The whole game is obsessed with star players and rely on silly money transfers.

I think we've said before there should be a law which says there should be a quota of home grown players in every squad. That would concentrate clubs minds on proper coaching of youngsters.

The FA played a massive part in that imho by doing away with the 2 hour rule or whatever it was, lots of clubs got rid of their academy system’s altogether.

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1 hour ago, gnasher16 said:

Surely now though the physical battle for want of a better word is who is the fittest rather than who is the strongest.....how many times do we see top teams scoring late on against sides they have literally worked to death and exhausted.......i get down the Hammers Academy now and again and the lads are all prancing about with heart monitors,lifting weights has been replaced with beep tests i think the fitness in top level football today is at a level most people cant fully appreciate.

Shoulder to shoulder the bloke with the greater upper body strength will still win and that still counts imho mate. 

[eastcoast 4,163]

This Tonali thing is annoying. Just when Newcastle were making only back page headlines another knacka messes it up. Apparently the kid cried when told that he was being sold and cried when the coppers came a knocking with the gambling thing. OK, he is a young lad but does not seem very strong mentally or the sharpest pencil in the box. Undoubtedly talented though and a complete ban from playing wont do him much good from a mental perspective. I think in these circumstances the player should be allowed/made to go on loan and play in a lower league. I suggest Leeds, Preston or Birmingham in the Championship.

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by eastcoast

[chartpolski 24,134]

6 minutes ago, eastcoast said:

This Tonali thing is annoying. Just when Newcastle were making only back page headlines another knacka messes it up. Apparently the kid cried when told that he was being sold and cried when the coppers came a knocking with the gambling thing. OK, he is a young lad but does not seem very strong mentally or the sharpest pencil in the box. 

 

There's chatter about how Milan may have been tipped off about this betting scandal and Tonali's involvement and possible upcoming ban so they sold him.

I don't know how much truth there is in it, but why would they sell a 23 year old Italian national team player ?

Could end up with a lot of litigation!

Cheers.

[NEWKID 27,260]

15 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

There's chatter about how Milan may have been tipped off about this betting scandal and Tonali's involvement and possible upcoming ban so they sold him.

I don't know how much truth there is in it, but why would they sell a 23 year old Italian national team player ?

Could end up with a lot of litigation!

Cheers.

Shit trick if that turns out to be true

[eastcoast 4,163]

5 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

There's chatter about how Milan may have been tipped off about this betting scandal and Tonali's involvement and possible upcoming ban so they sold him.

I don't know how much truth there is in it, but why would they sell a 23 year old Italian national team player ?

Could end up with a lot of litigation!

Cheers.

No matter what it has messed up our recruitment in regard to FFP for this season. £50M and goodness how much in wages. No different than a long term injury I suppose and Longstaff gets more of a chance with the big money signing not being an option anymore. 

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6 minutes ago, eastcoast said:

No matter what it has messed up our recruitment in regard to FFP for this season. £50M and goodness how much in wages. No different than a long term injury I suppose and Longstaff gets more of a chance with the big money signing not being an option anymore. 

That's the biggest thing for you, missing a real quality player like that for a long spell and nothing you can do about it, I think Eddie Howes transfers and management has been near on perfect since he got there, no huge Marquee signing, just very good professionals who all add to the team...he'll feel let down by this no doubt