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The way we've treated Moyse is f****n disgusting....im not against a new manager it probably is the right time but theres ways of doing things and the man deserves respect and a good send off yet we'v

West Ham fans in town all day and not a murmur until wives/families get attacked by " ultras " at the game itself.....embarrassing !! There was a handful of chaps on each stairwell stopping them

My Hammers will struggle this year ,some fans want Moyse gone but personally i cant see the point we have a manager thats proved he can improve the club,owners willing to throw money at it.....at what

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1 hour ago, NEWKID said:

Half tongue in cheek about Moyes mate, you know that.. but... he gets a side well set up and compact, if you ain't gonna play possession football (which he doesn't), then being compact and quick on the break is the key... Antonio was brilliant yesterday he was a constant menace ... yeah and Bowens 2 touches and finish were brilliant... Good start as you say and you know what you'll always get with Moyes, I guess every side cant play the same way mate...

UTD needed that yesterday, the performance after the 2 goals was very good...need this new striker fit cause we ain't got one, get rid of Martial now... Bruno dragged them to a win yesterday, real captains performance...

Hate to say it, but Spurs are looking good as well...what a difference Maddison has made to that team..

Well, if we win 12 games or only loose 19 games this season then he will be doing better than last season ! Lol 😂 

The yids have been good to watch so far mate, I like that style that Postacoglu plays. 
 

Conte tried the sitting and counter approach with spurs as I remember and it worked for about 3 games but then got sussed out.

Luton next and we should do them in based on our start.

9 or 10 men in your own box all the game……f**k sake like, dogshit ! 

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Just reading a few West Ham pages and because we have done alright in 3 games some of the shit being written by fans is positively “Sunderland-esque” 

I seen one opinion piece this morning comparing what Moyes is doing to old Inter Milan and Real Madrid teams !

Have they been putting crack in the pie & mash down there or what ? 

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On 11/08/2023 at 13:31, NEWKID said:

I like yours and Wilfs yaps on West Ham, its good to see it from both sides of a supporter...so to speak...

I do get Wilfs points about a style of play, when you look at Brighton, Brentford, Fulham etc these are clubs that in my opinion aren't as "big" as West Ham... but I think  play a better style... West Ham have just sold the best player you've produced in years for over £100m and they are struggling to make signings.. they have the monet to spend, are playing European football, big stadium...they are an attractive offering to most players surely?

I dont agree with Wilf regards the cup run and winning the final last year, that's not a poison chalice imo...thats memories as fans you'll never forget...to kick on from there and compete again in a cup run, qualifying for Europe etc is surely the target, not sure enough has been done yet to do it...

I dont disagree with Wilf.....we all want to play attractive football i used to cling onto and take pride in the old " West Ham way " style of football with our own little squad of locals in our own little community ground....i loved all that and didnt want it to change......but lads like Wilf didnt want that anymore they fancied a jump into the new " massive club " scene and start getting into Europe and winning trophies............yet now they've got that they want to build like we used to build and play like we used to play again 🤣 

Its like having an ugly bird whos a good bunk up......you think nah bollocks to this i want a pretty bird.......you get the pretty bird then realising you miss the good sex start saying you want both....no f**k off you're an ugly little fat bloke you was taking the piss just wanting a pretty bird !! 🤣

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On 11/08/2023 at 15:34, WILF said:

With the greatest of respect mate, and I genuinely mean that…..but one thing has got f**k all to do with the other !

Winning a trophy playing, if we are honest, mostly shit teams whilst playing equally as shit football may be a cause for celebration but it don’t make our football any good.

Celebrate by all means but let’s not call a ham Sandwhich a steak dinner a ? 

I may be out of touch with “real fans” but I know what a game of football looks like.

Some lads just watch for the entertainment and that’s fine, I don’t begrudge them that….most of them wouldn’t know a low block from an attacking overload and again that’s fine.

If you are going all Max on me and insisting this is the best ever and it don’t get better than this then there’s just no taking to you mate.

What did you think of the Leverkusen game ?

We can all have this pretend snobbery and look down our nose at everyday fans Wilf but the reality is being a club supporter is about loyalty to your pals,your manor and your club badge....and with every respect a club supporter is all you are......we'd all love to be Barcelona or Man City but we're not them and never was so where is this entitlement to good football AND winning trophies coming from ??

Is it the best football we've seen in our lifetimes no of course its not......is it the most success and the most enjoyable we've had it ( Europe etc ) in our life times,yes id say it probably is.

If you was expecting to plot up in this big new ground you wanted and suddenly become Barcelona then i can understand how disheartening it must be.....but hey at least you got your trophy eh 😉

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On 11/08/2023 at 18:11, WILF said:

Have you ever played lone striker in a low block team mate ?……

Dont be ridiculous mate.....as someone with a champions league medal in his drawer is constantly reminding me whenever i start ranting about Antonio " he doesnt,hasnt and would never expect to play in any role other than what he plays in......its either that or be a plasterer "

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6 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Dont be ridiculous mate.....as someone with a champions league medal in his drawer is constantly reminding me whenever i start ranting about Antonio " he doesnt,hasnt and would never expect to play in any role other than what he plays in......its either that or be a plasterer "

Mate, it’s an easy one, ask that No.10 if he’d want to play in this team given a choice ! 
 

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7 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

We can all have this pretend snobbery and look down our nose at everyday fans Wilf but the reality is being a club supporter is about loyalty to your pals,your manor and your club badge....and with every respect a club supporter is all you are......we'd all love to be Barcelona or Man City but we're not them and never was so where is this entitlement to good football AND winning trophies coming from ??

Is it the best football we've seen in our lifetimes no of course its not......is it the most success and the most enjoyable we've had it ( Europe etc ) in our life times,yes id say it probably is.

If you was expecting to plot up in this big new ground you wanted and suddenly become Barcelona then i can understand how disheartening it must be.....but hey at least you got your trophy eh 😉

I don’t look down my nose at anyone mate, in fact I feel it’s quiet the opposite……it’s people like me getting sneered at for daring to say “this is rubbish”

And don’t be silly about “being Barcelona” mate, playing proper  football in that area was a “thing” when Messi and Iniesta and Busqeuts were still sucking on their mums tit ! 
 

You have said before that you were no fan of Big Sams anti football yet Moyes anti football is great…..just because we got a trinket and few results ? How’s that work ? 
When did smashing it up to a big African suddenly become fantastic ! 
When do we stop living off that trophy and results against big hitters ?…..for me, it’s 2 hours after the match because that’s  football but everyone thinks about football different.
 

Moving to proper facilities should enable you to do things properly, it’s got absolutely nothing to do with being a “big club”, it just means owners don’t have the excuse of limited space, limited revenue and non attractive facilities…..anyway, I can’t see Moyes lasting forever, he will be there as long as he is getting results that give Steiden the breathing space to recruit players who want to do more than sit 9 handed in their own box all game. 
Then hopefully we will see someone who wants to play a bit of football.

I have always said that I just follow West Ham and lads like you who are chucking their readies into the team season in, season out support West Ham but that has absolutely no bearing on knowing what a game of football looks like.

All that glistens isn’t gold mate. 

 

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8 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

I dont disagree with Wilf.....we all want to play attractive football i used to cling onto and take pride in the old " West Ham way " style of football with our own little squad of locals in our own little community ground....i loved all that and didnt want it to change......but lads like Wilf didnt want that anymore they fancied a jump into the new " massive club " scene and start getting into Europe and winning trophies............yet now they've got that they want to build like we used to build and play like we used to play again 🤣 

Its like having an ugly bird whos a good bunk up......you think nah bollocks to this i want a pretty bird.......you get the pretty bird then realising you miss the good sex start saying you want both....no f**k off you're an ugly little fat bloke you was taking the piss just wanting a pretty bird !! 🤣

Explain one thing to me mate, what’s wrong with saying “Over the moon we won a trophy but the football is diabolical” ? 
Because I’m just not understanding how we can no longer say those things in the same sentence. 

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On 29/08/2023 at 07:50, WILF said:

Mate, it’s an easy one, ask that No.10 if he’d want to play in this team given a choice ! 
 

Again,Barcelona mentality......we're West Ham mate we dont have the pick of the worlds players we have to play to our strengths,whatever those strengths are at this particular point in time.

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On 29/08/2023 at 08:10, WILF said:

I don’t look down my nose at anyone mate, in fact I feel it’s quiet the opposite……it’s people like me getting sneered at for daring to say “this is rubbish”

 

You get sneered at because it was YOU who wanted this !!.....YOU wanted the move in order to be a massive club......or was you that naive that you thought by being a massive club you would get Barcelona type football with it ?

 

On 29/08/2023 at 08:10, WILF said:

 

And don’t be silly about “being Barcelona” mate, playing proper  football in that area was a “thing” when Messi and Iniesta and Busqeuts were still sucking on their mums tit ! 

 

I think you know the point im making lets not get all " wordy " about it 😉

On 29/08/2023 at 08:10, WILF said:


You have said before that you were no fan of Big Sams anti football yet Moyes anti football is great…..just because we got a trinket and few results ? How’s that work ? 
When did smashing it up to a big African suddenly become fantastic ! 
When do we stop living off that trophy and results against big hitters ?…..for me, it’s 2 hours after the match because that’s  football but everyone thinks about football different.
 

 

Comparing Allardyces's brand of football to Moyse is just being stupid mate.....Allardyce played to not lose and keep teams up via keeping the ball up in the air most of the time....Moyse plays high risk football.....the risk being that if the team is not at it its about as entertaining as mud....im not a huge fan of Moyse or his style of football but he is doing well with it.

I think you know me well enough by now to know i rarely cop for strong opinions on stuff i havent either experienced or have good knowledge on so im not getting above myself here but tactically it seems obvious to me that the game we currently play which is low percentage possession football playing on the break is great when you do 2 things well.....a,defend....and b,take your chances.....if you're not doing those things particularly well then the plan falls down......i like the way Danny Murphy put it the other night he said the planning and execution was incredible,every player knew their job,was disciplined and focused,worked hard for each other and it was brilliant to watch as " a craft ".

While it isnt the greatest entertainment its getting results at a time when risky flair football that might take us down like it once did with John Lyall would be unthinkable having just moved into this big new ground.

 

On 29/08/2023 at 08:10, WILF said:

 

I have always said that I just follow West Ham and lads like you who are chucking their readies into the team season in, season out support West Ham but that has absolutely no bearing on knowing what a game of football looks like.

All that glistens isn’t gold mate. 

 

In which case you're just a fan of football who happens to like West Ham i get that.....so why not just cheer when everyone else does instead of this patronising sulk having a pop at us for jumping about acting silly after winning a trophy for the first time in donkeys years....come on just admit it,the " massive " song gets up your nose dont it 🤣 :boogy:

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On 29/08/2023 at 08:45, WILF said:

Explain one thing to me mate, what’s wrong with saying “Over the moon we won a trophy but the football is diabolical” ? 
Because I’m just not understanding how we can no longer say those things in the same sentence. 

If we was still at Upton Park....nothing at all !

But i repeat....it was YOU and lads like you who wanted to bin off every tradition we held dear INCLUDING playing football the right way......so unless you was so naive that you thought we would come to this new ground,be a " massive "club,win trophies AND play attractive football,then maybe you should have listened to chaps like me who consistently said " our club will never be the same ".

You didnt want what you had,you then got what you wanted.....but now want what you had again.

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I've not much to add here other than 

A. Are you west ham boys talking about that European version of the auto windshield trophy when your talking about you winning some silverware😂😂

 

B. To me once football clubs started referring to themselves as businesses then they lost all rights to be blindly supported, if they're a business they better provide a product people want, who wants to waste theyre money and time to watch boring crap so some overpaid mercenaries can keep drawing their 150k a week. If you take the social side of going to the football with your pals away what you left with? You dont need to go to a prem game and be disrespected by being forced to watch them all take a knee under threat of being banned for life if you make your feelings known to spend the affy with your mates you could watch a game of tiddly winks and have that, modern football can go and f**k itself I couldn't care less and honestly I hope we never win a WC Gareth Southgate and his merry band of losers don't represent anything I stand fo

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6 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

If we was still at Upton Park....nothing at all !

But i repeat....it was YOU and lads like you who wanted to bin off every tradition we held dear INCLUDING playing football the right way......so unless you was so naive that you thought we would come to this new ground,be a " massive "club,win trophies AND play attractive football,then maybe you should have listened to chaps like me who consistently said " our club will never be the same ".

You didnt want what you had,you then got what you wanted.....but now want what you had again.

We won’t agree on any of this mate, I think we can both see that.

To say you can’t play proper football because you now live in a new stadium just don’t make any sense.

If we had a coach that wanted to play it, we’d play it….simple as that.

And anything we did or didn’t win, any league position we did of didn’t get we’d know we did that at least trying to play nice football.

As I said before, just working to pick up the cheque for staying up is exactly the same as wanting the rich Arab owner in my book, it s just soul less nothing ! 

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