Cattle dog

[SheepChaser 8,083]

[SheepChaser 8,083]

[leegreen 2,153]

16 hours ago, stevemac said:

No they are a hearding type

So a Shepherd and a herding type are differernt? So what do Shepherds do, if they're not herding stuff? I'm not taking the p, I just don't think I understand what you're saying.

Are you talking about the different stock they herd? As in sheep, cattle etc?

[leegreen 2,153]

13 hours ago, shaaark said:

Boxer x cattle dog?

Any pics, mate?

An old mate of mine had a GSD x boxer, in the mid 1970's.  Only a pet, but a very impressive looking dog. 

I'd like to see a good Boxer. Seen loads over the years and they were all pretty shite. Some had the aggression of a Bull dog, but that was it. I've seen a few doing man work, but these were Mastiff looking things and even then they weren't much cop. They possibly used a Boxer because there was feck all else to use at the time?

So yeah, I'd like to see ya Boxer x.

[C.green 3,229]

15 hours ago, max_wood said:

I had a pure one for sheep and cattle work.without doubt the best and most loyal dog I've ever had. Beyond tough , absolutely fearless and would have died for me in a heartbeat. She would guard the vehicle if I wasnt there but fine with anyone if I was there, adored the kids. Her father on the other hand was an absolute man stopper.

If they can chase and bite and bark at things every day and get it out their system they are a joy to have but just as a pet or to lay around a yard as a guard dog I wouldnt recommend one personally.

 

No disrespect here feller so please dont take this the wrong way i hear alot of people going on they need this they need that whats with the wieght alot of these dogs carrying if there out all day every day 7 days a week ? Is it just how they are ? 
 

If i went and got a cattle dog and i still would if i seen one out the right dogs hunting and that wouldnt be a priority for a good while theres other things you can do that tell you more about a dogs character.

Edited January 14, 2023 by C.green

[Aussie Whip 4,092]

10 hours ago, leegreen said:

I'd like to see a good Boxer. Seen loads over the years and they were all pretty shite. Some had the aggression of a Bull dog, but that was it. I've seen a few doing man work, but these were Mastiff looking things and even then they weren't much cop. They possibly used a Boxer because there was feck all else to use at the time?

So yeah, I'd like to see ya Boxer x.

Boxers are a pretty common cross for pig dogs here, they have the build without being too game and psycho. They also have a good nose surprisingly. My mrs had a white pure boxer bitch she used for hunting, only a small type and it was also a great guard at home.

[Aussie Whip 4,092]

14 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

There are a few of these Black Mouth curs being used on pigs here now, I think they are more of a bailer than lugger.

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11 hours ago, leegreen said:

So a Shepherd and a herding type are differernt? So what do Shepherds do, if they're not herding stuff? I'm not taking the p, I just don't think I understand what you're saying.

Are you talking about the different stock they herd? As in sheep, cattle etc?

LOVE CATTLE DOGS BUT HATE SHEPARDS ITS JUST A PERSONAL THING.  TRADITIONALLY SHEPARDS WERE USED TO KEEP SHEEP IN A CONFINED AREA WHILE THEY GRAZED LIKE A ELECTRIC FENCE, CATTLE DOGS ARE DROVERS IE HEALERS FOR UNRULELY CATTLE.

Edited January 14, 2023 by stevemac

[SheepChaser 8,083]

5 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

There are a few of these Black Mouth curs being used on pigs here now, I think they are more of a bailer than lugger.

Aye that’s mainly what they are used for. Bit like a hound. They will lug, but generally used as finder bailers. 

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On 13/01/2023 at 22:59, shaaark said:

Boxer x cattle dog?

Any pics, mate?

An old mate of mine had a GSD x boxer, in the mid 1970's.  Only a pet, but a very impressive looking dog. 

my sons dog Murphy boxer x cattle dog. only young there but has caught many many pigs.

Edited January 14, 2023 by stevemac

[max_wood 161]

28 minutes ago, C.green said:

No disrespect here feller so please dont take this the wrong way i hear alot of people going on they need this they need that whats with the wieght alot of these dogs carrying if there out all day every day 7 days a week ? Is it just how they are ? 
 

If i went and got a cattle dog and i still would if i seen one out the right dogs hunting and that wouldnt be a priority for a good while theres other things you can do that tell you more about a dogs character.

I got her second hand and she was literally obese when I got her.she had been shut away because she would fight with the guys sheepdog bitches, who she would of killed if allowed.she didnt fight with mine but you had to watch her constantly and always have it in the back of your mind.But they are heavy built and get fat just looking at grub but the proper working ones are a bit dumpy.

They are a pushing dog, instinct to drive animals not round them up and bring them too you like a collie. So the job is to be full on, not calm and quiet. 

If she didnt get that "aggression " for want of a better word, out of her system for a couple of days she would be a pain . Like a coiled spring with a bad temper. 

Then when she got back to work she would go way overboard till she calmed down a bit. So without that outlet she would have been hard to live with as they do like a scrap and can be funny with people.

You've asked what they are like, I had one for many years and as brilliant as she was I probably wouldnt have another one.

 

 

[OldPhil 5,676]

Lovely batch of dogs, nice to see a bit of interest from hunting men, in the Pastoral types.

As an aside,...I remember when I was a boy, back in Wales, a local farmer had a really tough and durable Border Collie that had Staffordshire Bull Terrier blood in his ancestory.. I believe this had been the result of a miscelience , but, this dog was mighty effective at handling Cattle that would not go, where they were being asked to go..

In fact, when he said move, they pretty soon moved...

I reckon , IF he had been used on good Herding bitches,..we might have produced a genuine specialist worker of cattle.

As to whether we could ever use a genuine serious kinda jukel on UK livestock,..I don't really know

I've folk out in Oz, and in New Zealand,..they are around Cattle Dogs , Kelpies , etc,..and also the big barking Huntaways...Ive always loved such phenomanal , purpose-bred canines , and my reletives are constantly asking me to come on over, and fetch a pup back...

Thirty years ago,.. I might have given it a go,..but my time in the Sun is over,..I literally missed the boat.. 

Now I live a quiet life with my little collie cur...

Facts are, there are few farms in the UK that really need  to employ such forceful workers,..so with the exception of the fabulous sheep herding Kelpie and a few Huntaways,..the genuine Australian Heeler is mostly kept as a companion , guard , etc....

We just don't have the work for him.... 

 

 

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by OldPhil

[C.green 3,229]

5 minutes ago, max_wood said:

I got her second hand and she was literally obese when I got her.she had been shut away because she would fight with the guys sheepdog bitches, who she would of killed if allowed.she didnt fight with mine but you had to watch her constantly and always have it in the back of your mind.But they are heavy built and get fat just looking at grub but the proper working ones are a bit dumpy.

They are a pushing dog, instinct to drive animals not round them up and bring them too you like a collie. So the job is to be full on, not calm and quiet. 

If she didnt get that "aggression " for want of a better word, out of her system for a couple of days she would be a pain . Like a coiled spring with a bad temper. 

Then when she got back to work she would go way overboard till she calmed down a bit. So without that outlet she would have been hard to live with as they do like a scrap and can be funny with people.

You've asked what they are like, I had one for many years and as brilliant as she was I probably wouldnt have another one.

 

 

Cheers feller i understand what you mean. Obviously its abit of an awkward one for me anyway as i dont want one for that type of work i want a little allround tag along type dog that can turn its paw to a few different jobs but at the same time can do some stuff well. Time will tell ive had a few kind offers to spend abit of time with some so ill see what happens if i think there suit what i want ill definitely give one a bash

Edited January 14, 2023 by C.green

[shaaark 10,708]

5 minutes ago, OldPhil said:

Lovely batch of dogs, nice to see a bit of interest from hunting men, in the Pastoral types.

As an aside,...I remember when I was a boy, back in Wales, a local farmer had a really tough and durable Border Collie that had Staffordshire Bull Terrier blood in his ancestory.. I believe this had been the result of a miscelience , but, this dog was mighty effective at handling Cattle that would not go, where they were being asked to go..

In fact, when he said move, they pretty soon moved...

I reckon , IF he had been used on good Herding bitches,..we might have produced a genuine specialist worked of cattle.

As to whether we could ever use a genuine serious kinda jukel on UK livestock,..I don't really know

 

 

 

I'm sure 'Billhardy' that used to be on here, once mentioned that some lines of border collie had staff/pit blood in em, going back years ago.

Would you think that'd be correct, Phil?

[SheepChaser 8,083]

I’ve said it a lot of times. But in this country, there is nothing stock wise that a good border collie can’t do. Bred for the job, bred for the ground, the climate etc. Lots of folk do enjoy these other breeds but mostly they don’t offer much we don’t have. With the one exception maybe being the deep bark of a huntaway clearing bit rough hill ground, but that would be fairly rare.