Border Poll

[WILF 47,007]

1 minute ago, Chid said:

Tbh I don't know what would happen . 

I can see the change in people , and I mean people whos family have been staunch loyalists deciding to get Irish passports cause it saves on queuing at immigration.

There's probably only a minority now who will still stand up for their "Britishness"

My wife has an Irish passport and a British passport, my mother in law is the same…..they just don’t view that as anything more than a handy quirk of legislation, they certainly don’t think that effects their Britishness at all and I suspect most people are the same.

Could be wrong ?

[Lenmcharristar 9,806]

I just see it that the government is letting the drugs ruin a society that was once so united it properly controlled the country, the powers that be are using the divide and conquer tactics and its working, the drugs are turning the places into shit holes, bloody terrible to see

[WILF 47,007]

1 minute ago, Lenmcharristar said:

I just see it that the government is letting the drugs ruin a society that was once so united it properly controlled the country, the powers that be are using the divide and conquer tactics and its working, the drugs are turning the places into shit holes, bloody terrible to see

That’s the story of Britain mate, I remember being stood outside a restaurant in Bangor when they first bought in the smoking ban, I was chatting with some old boy while we had a cigarette and I said to him at the time “Don’t be rushing to get too like England” because we was talking about this weird new “smoking ban” and stuff.

 

[dogmandont 9,838]

A united Ireland will and is going to happen wilf of that I'm 100% certain. Loyalists can go to war if they like but they'll be doing it in a united Ireland, as for being different a 100 years of partition will of had an effect but thankfully not enough to undermine the feeling of irishness amongst the nationalist communities in the north while living under British rule, its been a long old road to get to this point but I've faith in the people of this island to grasp a chance of a united Ireland with both hands. 

[Lenmcharristar 9,806]

17 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

A united Ireland will and is going to happen wilf of that I'm 100% certain. Loyalists can go to war if they like but they'll be doing it in a united Ireland, as for being different a 100 years of partition will of had an effect but thankfully not enough to undermine the feeling of irishness amongst the nationalist communities in the north while living under British rule, its been a long old road to get to this point but I've faith in the people of this island to grasp a chance of a united Ireland with both hands. 

Dont you think the money part will play a massive role? The dla office alone will be a result swayer lol

[dogmandont 9,838]

21 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Dont you think the money part will play a massive role? The dla office alone will be a result swayer lol

There will be sum len, just as there will be some unionists will think being in the eu will be better for business, and as far as I'm aware the dole in the south is a lot more than it is in the north so scroungers will just carry on doing their thing. 

[WILF 47,007]

1 hour ago, dogmandont said:

A united Ireland will and is going to happen wilf of that I'm 100% certain. Loyalists can go to war if they like but they'll be doing it in a united Ireland, as for being different a 100 years of partition will of had an effect but thankfully not enough to undermine the feeling of irishness amongst the nationalist communities in the north while living under British rule, its been a long old road to get to this point but I've faith in the people of this island to grasp a chance of a united Ireland with both hands. 

Thanks mate, pretty relieved to get a view from “the other side” without it turning silly.

I just thought it would make an interesting conversation for those of us who it may interest

As I say, I totally understand the “why” but I just can’t begin to see the “how”.

I know we can always say “well, suck it up, you lost” as we did with Brexit but I think this is something different and I can’t see that working can you ? 
 

Nothing is on the agenda yet, it’s just words by people that can’t be trusted but in theory ?

How do you walk into those towns with pictures of the Queen and Union jacks set across the road and say “well, you can take all that down for starters” ? 

Edited September 25, 2022 by WILF

[WILF 47,007]

@Francie I know you are no fan of the EU or Labour so it would mean voting “in” to the EU wouldn’t it.

Edited to add:

Meant to say, I understand that is probably a price well worth paying mate, it just occurred to me that’s all.

Edited September 26, 2022 by WILF

[dogmandont 9,838]

24 minutes ago, WILF said:

Thanks mate, pretty relieved to get a view from “the other side” without it turning silly.

I just thought it would make an interesting conversation for those of us who it may interest

As I say, I totally understand the “why” but I just can’t begin to see the “how”.

I know we can always say “well, suck it up, you lost” as we did with Brexit but I think this is something different and I can’t see that working can you ? 
 

Nothing is on the agenda yet, it’s just words by people that can’t be trusted but in theory ?

How do you walk into those towns with pictures of the Queen and Union jacks set across the road and say “well, you can take all that down for starters” ? 

Unionists will still be unionists, their history won't be rewriten or forgotten. 

Do you genuinely believe that loyalists will start killing nationalists on the streets of a united Ireland. 

[WILF 47,007]

32 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Unionists will still be unionists, their history won't be rewriten or forgotten. 

Do you genuinely believe that loyalists will start killing nationalists on the streets of a united Ireland. 

Well, it’s happened before and I think it could happen if it looked like a vote may go ahead and be lost ?……it wouldn’t make much sense doing it when it’s lost already.

But all that aside, where is a unionists place when someone has taken his country away from him ?

I know that argument works both ways by the way in theory, but difference is, no living republican born and raised in the north ever lived in a republic…..they always lived in Northern Ireland, they willingly give that away but the unionist don’t….they would be taking his country away from him surely ? 
 

That’s the bit I don’t see can work ?

[dogmandont 9,838]

7 hours ago, WILF said:

Well, it’s happened before and I think it could happen if it looked like a vote may go ahead and be lost ?……it wouldn’t make much sense doing it when it’s lost already.

But all that aside, where is a unionists place when someone has taken his country away from him ?

I know that argument works both ways by the way in theory, but difference is, no living republican born and raised in the north ever lived in a republic…..they always lived in Northern Ireland, they willingly give that away but the unionist don’t….they would be taking his country away from him surely ? 
 

That’s the bit I don’t see can work ?

The people in the north were never asked if they wanted to be part of Britain, its taken a hundred years and a lot of bloodshed to get to this point where they will have a chance to be asked. 

[Chid 6,540]

6 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

The people in the north were never asked if they wanted to be part of Britain, its taken a hundred years and a lot of bloodshed to get to this point where they will have a chance to be asked. 

But only 33% of the people who filled in the census identify as Irish ? Do you think a border poll is going to go in a united Ireland favour? 

What about a united Ireland ruled by GB

[WILF 47,007]

16 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

The people in the north were never asked if they wanted to be part of Britain, its taken a hundred years and a lot of bloodshed to get to this point where they will have a chance to be asked. 

No, I understand that mate…..I’m just wondering how in reality you implement taking a blokes country away from him.

At the time of partition all of Ireland had been part of the United Kingdom for hundreds of years, nobody actually took anything away from anybody in theory…..they did the opposite, they gave a massive chunk back and people then had a choice to live in the republic or the UK.

This border poll would be something very different surely ?

[Lenmcharristar 9,806]

5 hours ago, dogmandont said:

The people in the north were never asked if they wanted to be part of Britain, its taken a hundred years and a lot of bloodshed to get to this point where they will have a chance to be asked. 

Do you not think we are to britishised in the east of the country dmd? We are more like Glasgow, liverpool, among other parts of the uk, than we are dundalk or dublin 

[Lenmcharristar 9,806]

5 hours ago, dogmandont said:

The people in the north were never asked if they wanted to be part of Britain, its taken a hundred years and a lot of bloodshed to get to this point where they will have a chance to be asked. 

What if the vote is no, do you think it will be accepted?