Border Poll

[WILF 46,628]

59 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Do you not think we are to britishised in the east of the country dmd? We are more like Glasgow, liverpool, among other parts of the uk, than we are dundalk or dublin 

Despite how shocked I was to see all the empty shops in Belfast and it looking a little sorry for itself in the city centre (which is the same story of lots of British high streets) it has about as much in common with Dublin as I do Diane Abbott ! 
 

 

[Lenmcharristar 9,727]

2 hours ago, WILF said:

Despite how shocked I was to see all the empty shops in Belfast and it looking a little sorry for itself in the city centre (which is the same story of lots of British high streets) it has about as much in common with Dublin as I do Diane Abbott ! 
 

 

It is just different, especially the east coast, not that theres anything wrong with the ROI, we are closer to our mainland brethren than our neighbours in the south. If the vote happens it needs to be for the right reasons and not the wrong, people need to vote with their heads and not bitterness for it could turn out a lot worse. I think at this moment in time a unionist vote would win due to economics. But if the south got their arses into gear and sorted their own country out (drugs, facilities, housing, their own nhs, etc etc) then who knows, theres too many over here milking the system to vote that gravy train to stop

[WILF 46,628]

13 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

It is just different, especially the east coast, not that theres anything wrong with the ROI, we are closer to our mainland brethren than our neighbours in the south. If the vote happens it needs to be for the right reasons and not the wrong, people need to vote with their heads and not bitterness for it could turn out a lot worse. I think at this moment in time a unionist vote would win due to economics. But if the south got their arses into gear and sorted their own country out (drugs, facilities, housing, their own nhs, etc etc) then who knows, theres too many over here milking the system to vote that gravy train to stop

Was just listening to someone on the news talk radio, apparently the economic argument don’t stand up.

People would be better off in the republic financially and there is t as much poverty in the republic as the uk which would bare out what I have seen too.

The financial question mark is “could the republic afford it?”……but your ordinary person would be better off.

Thats all stuff I didn’t know.

It really will come down to hearts and minds mate I reckon.

[dogmandont 9,802]

9 hours ago, WILF said:

No, I understand that mate…..I’m just wondering how in reality you implement taking a blokes country away from him.

At the time of partition all of Ireland had been part of the United Kingdom for hundreds of years, nobody actually took anything away from anybody in theory…..they did the opposite, they gave a massive chunk back and people then had a choice to live in the republic or the UK.

This border poll would be something very different surely ?

How a unionist navigates the transition will be up to them wilf, I'm afraid I can't help them with that. 

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[WILF 46,628]

6 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

How a unionist navigates the transition will be up to them wilf, I'm afraid I can't help them with that. 

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You can see how it could be a big problem though mate can’t you ?

I think stuff many would find attractive is that they still have married couple tax relief, mortgage tax relief and all sorts of other things that got done away with years ago in the uk.

Yes you have to have medical insurance but that is means tested so there is free healthcare if you earn under a certain amount, but medical costs are tax deductible as well and so are prescriptions. 
 

The great thing is no council tax to speak of, well, mine is €90 a year but you have to pay for fire brigade out of home insurance which to me makes sense, you buy your own school books for the kids but again I think that’s better.

The lady I listened to in the radio was saying that it will come down to non tangible things like Remembrance Day and keeping Orange lodges and allowing them to retain their Britishness……quiet how that works in a country that widely rejects most things British is anyones guess and the thing that will cause the problems imho 

[dogmandont 9,802]

13 minutes ago, WILF said:

You can see how it could be a big problem though mate can’t you ?

I think stuff many would find attractive is that they still have married couple tax relief, mortgage tax relief and all sorts of other things that got done away with years ago in the uk.

Yes you have to have medical insurance but that is means tested so there is free healthcare if you earn under a certain amount, but medical costs are tax deductible as well and so are prescriptions. 
 

The great thing is no council tax to speak of, well, mine is €90 a year but you have to pay for fire brigade out of home insurance which to me makes sense, you buy your own school books for the kids but again I think that’s better.

The lady I listened to in the radio was saying that it will come down to non tangible things like Remembrance Day and keeping Orange lodges and allowing them to retain their Britishness……quiet how that works in a country that widely rejects most things British is anyones guess and the thing that will cause the problems imho 

I honestly think the north could be a powerhouse in a united Ireland and the South would be lucky to have us, and as far as unionism goes I think it could be good thing for the rest of Ireland and a lot of lessons could be learnt from them about putting your own first. 

 

[WILF 46,628]

9 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

I honestly think the north could be a powerhouse in a united Ireland and the South would be lucky to have us, and as far as unionism goes I think it could be good thing for the rest of Ireland and a lot of lessons could be learnt from them about putting your own first. 

 

Now that’s a decent post mate, I was thinking much the same earlier thinking about this conversation.

Theres a lot both could learn and adopt from each other and I totally agree, the north would be the powerhouse of a United ireland…..it would show how to get things done.

[jukel123 7,957]

12 hours ago, WILF said:

No, I understand that mate…..I’m just wondering how in reality you implement taking a blokes country away from him.

At the time of partition all of Ireland had been part of the United Kingdom for hundreds of years, nobody actually took anything away from anybody in theory…..they did the opposite, they gave a massive chunk back and people then had a choice to live in the republic or the UK.

This border poll would be something very different surely ?

"Taking a bloke's country away from him" f**k me mate  it was the Irish who had their country taken from them and given to Scottish and English protestants. Not only that but the English continued to export grain which could have fed the starving Irish people who died during the famine.

Check out the behaviour of the black and tans, a group of mad b*****ds recruited by Churchill who raped,murdered and burned for fun. Check out the behaviour of the English troops during the recent troubles.

The English have, in the past seen  the Irish as sub human. You can read articles online describing them as apes, niggers, animals, filthy b*****ds, pigs etc etc.

The English Empire has had to withdraw and give many countries back to their original owners. Its only a matter of time before the same happens in Ireland.

I'm English  by birth and accent but Irish by DNA. I live in Scotland and I've learned to keep my mouth shut about religion and ethnicity. The way I see I I'm an immigrant and a guest. I don't want to antagonise people. Maybe you should do the same. I don't say that maliciously. It's just common sense.

 

Edited September 26, 2022 by jukel123

[dogmandont 9,802]

7 hours ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Do you not think we are to britishised in the east of the country dmd? We are more like Glasgow, liverpool, among other parts of the uk, than we are dundalk or dublin 

I see you as far removed from the mainland as you are Dublin len, just my opinion but can you not see by the way you were treated by the current government that they don't give a rats ass about the unionists in Northern Ireland, you've become as big a thorn in their side as we've been, something we have come to have in common. Lol. 

[WILF 46,628]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

"Taking a bloke's country away from him" f**k me mate  it was the Irish who had their country taken from them and given to Scottish and English protestants. Not only that but the English continued to export grain which could have fed the starving Irish people who died during the famine.

Check out the behaviour of the black and tans, a group of mad b*****ds recruited by Churchill who raped,murdered and burned for fun. Check out the behaviour of the English troops during the recent troubles.

The English have, in the past seen  the Irish as sub human. You can read articles online describing them as apes, niggers, animals, filthy b*****ds, pigs etc etc.

The English Empire has had to withdraw and give many countries back to their original owners. Its only a matter of time before the same happens in Ireland.

I'm English  by birth and accent but Irish by DNA. I live in Scotland and I've learned to keep my mouth shut about religion and ethnicity. The way I see I I'm an immigrant and a guest. I don't want to antagonise people. Maybe you should do the same. I don't say that maliciously. It's just common sense.

 

We are having a decent conversation, the only time it’s gos boss eyed is when people trot out what you have typed there.

Nobody here is talking about all that shit, we are having a genuine chat about how it could or may or may not work 

[jukel123 7,957]

11 minutes ago, WILF said:

We are having a decent conversation, the only time it’s gos boss eyed is when people trot out what you have typed there.

Nobody here is talking about all that shit, we are having a genuine chat about how it could or may or may not work 

 

You cannot talk about the future without understanding  the past. No need to be snotty.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,697]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

"Taking a bloke's country away from him" f**k me mate  it was the Irish who had their country taken from them and given to Scottish and English protestants. Not only that but the English continued to export grain which could have fed the starving Irish people who died during the famine.

Check out the behaviour of the black and tans, a group of mad b*****ds recruited by Churchill who raped,murdered and burned for fun. Check out the behaviour of the English troops during the recent troubles.

The English have, in the past seen  the Irish as sub human. You can read articles online describing them as apes, niggers, animals, filthy b*****ds, pigs etc etc.

The English Empire has had to withdraw and give many countries back to their original owners. Its only a matter of time before the same happens in Ireland.

I'm English  by birth and accent but Irish by DNA. I live in Scotland and I've learned to keep my mouth shut about religion and ethnicity. The way I see I I'm an immigrant and a guest. I don't want to antagonise people. Maybe you should do the same. I don't say that maliciously. It's just common sense.

 

 

 

[jukel123 7,957]

2 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

 

 

No comprende your point senor.

[WILF 46,628]

2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

 

You cannot talk about the future without understanding  the past. No need to be snotty.

I understand the past perfectly thank you, where do you want to start ? 1642 or prior to that ?

As I said, that shit has been done to death.

If this is the way it will go then there’s f**k all worth talking about.

[Ferretman65 2,177]

On 25/09/2022 at 09:28, WILF said:

So, once again Labour are playing to the lowest common denominator and clutching for votes at the expense of British people.

I understand the “why” from those who call for unification but I just don’t understand the “how” in how you separate the most British place in Britain from Britain ? 
 

Labour would set out border poll criteria - Peter Kyle

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Shadow NI Secretary Peter Kyle says he would call an Irish unity referendum if conditions are met.

 

The Bottom line Lads the south of Ireland doesn't want the North yet they can't afford us how could they give everyone in the north free health care there is no NHS down south you have to pay to see a GP if u ring fire or ambulance you have to pay and you have to pay for your bins too iam down south all the time one of the local council Lads told me this