Jon

[Born Hunter 17,787]

55 minutes ago, Francie said:

So what's the difference in inflation an expanding?

It's complicated and I wouldn't be able to fully explain it without studying it again. Just know with or without inflation, there is still expansion for all but a tiny fraction of a second of the Universes life.

56 minutes ago, Francie said:

Is evolutionary biology not the same principles as the big bang?

Only in that creationists have a problem with them. Otherwise it's like saying algebra has the same principles as hanging doors. Cosmology just doesn't have a biology angle. They're miles apart.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

38 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

So you just think we are a part of this universe thats only by fluke aware of its own existance?, thats a very closed mind, have you ever heard of the akashic record? Where all the info from the universe floats around? Where did that come from? And why did major life changing inventions like television, telephone, flying machines get intercepted by a few genuses at around the same time, are they tuned into a higher frequency than most of us? Most likely and that itself shows theres more than just as animals munching and humping until it goes black, (hopefully) lol

The how and wherefore dosnt concern me Len .Whatever your getting at has gone over my head as white noise mate .We are innovators  that’s all .

Unfortunately some of those innovators as well as others have chosen to use their minds to control others through time resulting in shite we don’t need to burdens ourselves with .

Im actually very surprised ,this being a hunting site that there aren’t more who feel as I do ,perhaps there are ,perhaps they just choose to stay silent .

If I can’t hear it ,smell it ,see it ,it ain’t worth a toss mate .

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

4 minutes ago, Jonjon79 said:

Actually, that is a really interesting point - I read something a few years ago about a quick, almost unnatural evolutionary jump in man that hasn't happened in any other species. 

 

It was about our physical, mental and technological advance over a short space of time - I'll have to try to find it again.

Was it when the churches became empty and clergy stopped shagging little boys ?

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5 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

Was it when the churches became empty and clergy stopped shagging little boys ?

No mate, it was a fair old way back - I can't remember exactly what it said but, there was 2 instances....... one point way back, not long after we diverged from monkeys and, another point not so long ago when technology suddenly came on in leaps and bounds.

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1 minute ago, Jonjon79 said:

no mate, it was a fair old way back - I can't remember exactly what it said but, there was 2 instances....... one point way back, not long after we diverged from monkeys and, another point not so long ago when technology suddenly came on in leaps and bounds.

That’s called evolution Jon .

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1 hour ago, Francie said:

Born can you answer me this cause its doing my nut in lol,What I don't understand is how they can call the big bang science,when it's not testable or observable,its just computer models an belief is it not,it happened billions of years ago?no one can test,observe or replicate it?

It is testable. Based on the theory, predictions are made and then looked for in experiments. It's tested and has so far held up to that scrutiny. Just because we can't do the "let's make a universe ourselves" experiment doesn't mean we can't test the theory.

I invented a measurement technique using instruments that emit and detect gamma radiation and nuclear simulation software to model the behaviour. The technique gave a measure of the cavity behind steel pipe that was within a borehole extending hundreds of meters below the surface. There was no practical way we could go down with a tape measure and verify my invention. I found alternative ways of verification based on my model/theory, including using other instruments to see if my predicted behaviour correlated with theirs and surface mock ups of the downhole environment. The verification of the science took a similar process as what verification of the Big Bang has to given it's not possible to directly replicate the Big Bang like it wasn't possible to access the cavity in the borehole. My work was peer reviewed, published, presented by myself to the technical head shed of Shell, praised, contracts signed to provide them intelligence as part of a remedial programme with a iirc $300M budget, and even ripped off by the biggest player in the oil service industry.... But you wouldn't consider it science unless you could go down the borehole with a tape measure and check my models?

'Proof' is a sliding scale, with absolute irrefutable proof impossible to achieve ever. We can only stack up the results of testing.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,787]

1 hour ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Yes you read it right, so what other force is at work to make spinning/orbiting in flat planes be the norm? From the most massive galaxy to the smallest protons and neutrons orbit around aN electron? Surely that shows rhythmic patterns, which looks like theyve Been pre-programmed or created to speak, and if there are multiverses then there will be a universe that it could be just random, solar wind would help create vortices within the solar systems, but what force got galaxies do the same? Maybe viktor sherberger was onto something with his vortices tech

Electrons orbit protons/neutron (aka the atomic nucleus) but yeah, it's a common theme in nature. But the universe shouldn't really be thought of in 3 dimensions like that, it should be thought of in 4 spacial dimensions really, which is conceptually difficult. Expansion is not like an explosion with all the matter being forced apart, if it was then we could measure that force. It's quite literally the space between everything increasing. Nothing actually felt like it was exploding away under an explosive force. Like dots on a balloon being inflated move apart, yet they don't actually change location on the balloon itself.

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15 minutes ago, Jonjon79 said:

No mate, it was a fair old way back - I can't remember exactly what it said but, there was 2 instances....... one point way back, not long after we diverged from monkeys and, another point not so long ago when technology suddenly came on in leaps and bounds.

I think that may be "the anthropogenic principal, or theory ", mate

Cheers.

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13 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

That’s called evolution Jon .

Yes it was evolution mate but, it was about how it changed us quicker than it changed any other animal/mammal.

 .......it was interesting stuff

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26 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

If I can’t hear it ,smell it ,see it ,it ain’t worth a toss mate .

Gamma radiation.

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2 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I think that may be "the anthropogenic principal, or theory ", mate

Cheers.

Possibly mate - I don't remember that word. I'm really going to have to find that book again

[Born Hunter 17,787]

4 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I think that may be "the anthropogenic principal, or theory ", mate

Cheers.

Anthropic principle. 

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Just now, Born Hunter said:

Anthropic principle. 

You say tomato......I say potato......let's call the whole thing off

Cheers.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Gamma radiation.

Do you mean this Born ,a sign I can see

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I like charts word - it's got more letters and sounds cleverer