Y'all and dogs

[South hams hunter 8,922]

5 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said:

So I like to study outdoor culture and subcultures, find it interesting how eveyone tends to hunt fish trap ect and how they specialize in certain things. Well gotta say you guys in the UK have to have one of the biggest obsessions ( and I truly mean that in the best way possible so please don't get bent outta shape) when it comes to dogs. Noticed when someone posts anything and there's a dog y'all key in on that dog. Asking about the breed, blood line ect.

Dont think I've seen it as engrained in hunting culture with anywhere elese like y'all.  Well there some stuff over here that gets close honunds men over here can be pretty.. perticular...But still not quite to extent of you guys. 

What with that ? Seriously from a historical and cultural perspective? I remember seeing some stuff in the history channel about most kings back in the gap had huge kennels full of different breeds for different purposes. Need to find that documentary again , was really good...... Anyhow anyone able to shed some light on this for me? 

For me I think a lot of it is a combination of our need to want to excel and natural arrogance.

A big difference between the UK and USA is obviously size; if you want to excel in your chosen field then you need the best tool for that job. Chances are someone is already breeding that tool; you can gaurentee that you'll probably know someone that knows that person and most people will know that person is the man to get the right tools. 

Back to arrogance and excelling; you get that blood and it will give you a good starting point for the job and also mean when someone asks how it's bred you can say it's from (insert famous line/name here). A lot of these bloods aren't just available to every tom,dick and Harry and are unanimous with good working dogs so when people ask how it's bred they believe it will give them a gauge on both the dog/owner.

[jukel123 8,026]

Brits in general are weird about animals. Everybody in  the UK seems to take their views about animals  from that great American import Walt Disney. Politicians from both major parties take a biassed view about hunting and believe it to be barbaric. As far as I can make out we seem to have the most draconian hunting regulations in the world.

Dogs occupy a major place in UK households and they often have behaviour problems because brits don't know how to treat them. There's half a dozen programmes on TV which deal with problematic dogs. Most just  need to be taught some  boundaries. But the majority of these dogs are allowed to dictate what they think is acceptable.

I think a lot of hunting guys bond deeply with their dogs if they are decent dogs which do their best.I ve got an old bitch here of 14 . I don't mind paying vet  bills  for her because she's been an honest, game dog. I've only ever had an argument with her once which I made sure I won. Since then she just wants to be my friend. But when she dies I won't be weeping. At the end of the day she's a dog. You can buy another. 

I think there is something basic and about a hunter and his dogs. It's in our DNA. 

Edited August 24, 2022 by jukel123

[Braigh 0]

6 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said:

So I like to study outdoor culture and subcultures, find it interesting how eveyone tends to hunt fish trap ect and how they specialize in certain things. Well gotta say you guys in the UK have to have one of the biggest obsessions ( and I truly mean that in the best way possible so please don't get bent outta shape) when it comes to dogs. Noticed when someone posts anything and there's a dog y'all key in on that dog. Asking about the breed, blood line ect.

Dont think I've seen it as engrained in hunting culture with anywhere elese like y'all.  Well there some stuff over here that gets close honunds men over here can be pretty.. perticular...But still not quite to extent of you guys. 

What with that ? Seriously from a historical and cultural perspective? I remember seeing some stuff in the history channel about most kings back in the gap had huge kennels full of different breeds for different purposes. Need to find that documentary again , was really good...... Anyhow anyone able to shed some light on this for me? 

Working dogs have been a huge part of British culture for soooooo long, thousands of years, so it’s basically ingrained in our DNA. 

And like you see here, the mere mention of dogs and you open a can of worms, everyone started going off on a tangent  

 

[iworkwhippets 12,576]

6 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Brits in general are weird about animals. Everybody in  the UK seems to take their views about animals  from that great American import Walt Disney. Politicians from both major parties take a biassed view about hunting and believe it to be barbaric. As far as I can make out we seem to have the most draconian hunting regulations in the world.

Dogs occupy a major place in UK households and they often have behaviour problems because brits don't know how to treat them. There's half a dozen programmes on TV which deal with problematic dogs. Most just  need to be taught some  boundaries. But the majority of these dogs are allowed to dictate what they think is acceptable.

I think a lot of hunting guys bond deeply with their dogs if they are decent dogs which do their best.I ve got an old bitch here of 14 . I've only ever had an argument with her once which I made sure I won. Since then she just wants to be my friend. But when she dies I won't be weeping. At the end of the day she's a dog. You can buy another. 

  well im not ashamed to say, i shed a tear when a member of my family had to be pit to sleep, Nell, a bloody good companion to me, and im not in a position to buy another, my doing , theres dog men, and theres dog men 

[jukel123 8,026]

Just now, iworkwhippets said:

  well im not ashamed to say, i shed a tear when a member of my family had to be pit to sleep, Nell, a bloody good companion to me, and im not in a position to buy another, my doing , theres dog men, and theres dog men 

I only cry over people mate. But if you feel that way, I have no problem with that.

[iworkwhippets 12,576]

4 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I only cry over people mate. But if you feel that way, I have no problem with that.

   ok matey, didnt mean to be rude, but  14 years, can u honestly tell me when she passes there wont be a single tear rolling down ya cheeks

[Astanley 11,568]

2 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Umm guys not to be rude but want really taking about breeds and breeding when I asked my original question I understand the basics of pure breeding and all that  not what I'm asking about though

To be fair Wolfy your opening post was a bit random ,making a couple of observations and then saying "what's with that " doesn't really constitute a coherent question .x

[WILF 46,811]

2 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Umm guys not to be rude but want really taking about breeds and breeding when I asked my original question I understand the basics of pure breeding and all that  not what I'm asking about though

You asked why we get enthusiastic about it and we are telling you, it’s because it matters 

[jukel123 8,026]

30 minutes ago, iworkwhippets said:

   ok matey, didnt mean to be rude, but  14 years, can u honestly tell me when she passes there wont be a single tear rolling down ya cheeks

I'll be upset, especially when the needle goes in, but that's as far as it goes. I'll remember her exploits as a working dog with fondness. Then I'll look forward to next pup.

[bird 9,907]

10 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I'll be upset, especially when the needle goes in, but that's as far as it goes. I'll remember her exploits as a working dog with fondness. Then I'll look forward to next pup.

I ve been the same  with all my lurchers for 35 years, enjoy them and what they have done when I've had them,  all have something   to rembered  for. But this dog now Buck,  deff ticked more boxes for me than the others,  deff more in the field,  and his temp,  never had dog before with such nice steady  nature,  good with people/kids and dogs,  so  I deff  won't forget him in hurry. 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,926]

3 minutes ago, bird said:

I ve been the same  with all my lurchers for 35 years, enjoy them and what they have done when I've had them,  all have something   to rembered  for. But this dog now Buck,  deff ticked more boxes for me than the others,  deff more in the field,  and his temp,  never had dog before with such nice steady  nature,  good with people/kids and dogs,  so  I deff  won't forget him in hurry. 
 

what’s he like mate ? What x is he and how big is he ? 
 

glad to hear he’s still about pal , how is he doing in the heat ?? 

[Nicepix 5,650]

32 minutes ago, WILF said:

You asked why we get enthusiastic about it and we are telling you, it’s because it matters 

Its the same all the time. He asks questions but cannot understand the answers. He is too insular like a lot of his countrymen. How Brits train and work hunting dogs is polar opposite to how the Yanks do it. It is far more personal and involves a relationship with ups and downs. To them a dog is a tool, nothing more.

[Nicepix 5,650]

26 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I'll be upset, especially when the needle goes in, but that's as far as it goes. I'll remember her exploits as a working dog with fondness. Then I'll look forward to next pup.

Always breaks my heart when I lose a dog. Even when they have to be put down out of kindness. But I think when this little terrier goes I'll dance down the high street. And no more after her (he says again).

Edited August 24, 2022 by Nicepix

[comanche 3,002]

51 minutes ago, Astanley said:

To be fair Wolfy your opening post was a bit random ,making a couple of observations and then saying "what's with that " doesn't really constitute a coherent question .x

I  understood it  . Its a layed back way of getting different opinions and  perspectives    . And it's worked!

[Born Hunter 17,763]

8 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

Its the same all the time. He asks questions but cannot understand the answers. He is too insular like a lot of his countrymen. How Brits train and work hunting dogs is polar opposite to how the Yanks do it. It is far more personal and involves a relationship with ups and downs. To them a dog is a tool, nothing more.

In my experience some of the lads that take breeding the most serious are the same lads that treat their dogs like tools. Performance tools that require proper maintenance, schooling, etc etc. But tools, rather than companions, nonetheless. These lads would cull 100 dogs in the pursuit of one outstanding dog, if necessary. Blood and performance is everything to them.

Dogs mean a bit more to me than that, I haven't that level of single minded commitment. But equally I don't have tears streaming down when it's time to flatten one.

IMO the obsession with blood and heritage supersedes emotion.