Being Britith......

[Andrea 2]

also it may be worth taking into account that one of the women, you are taking about, is actually a man, Carper is male.

To say that children are only the product of their parents is naive.

There are many poor areas in this country where crime seems to be high. Why? Because every parent in that estate are bad parent's? not so.

There was an experiment conducted by sociologist many years ago, they wanted to test whether people will behave in an alien way, just by suggestion. Their finding where that human being's are constantly learning from what they see and experience around them.

The army actually train soldiers, using these same principals and it's called conditioning.

How do you take a man/woman from the streets and teach them to be soldier's, to kill and to fight???? Well you keep them all together (eat, sleep, fight etc) by doing this they become a peer group (or a squadron, as it's known in the army).

They learn from what they see, what they experience, what they see their "mates" do, and they stop seeing fighting as wrong, rather it becomes normal and acceptable. The facts are, that adult's are open to suggestion and so are children.

Edited January 29, 2008 by Andrea

[Guest ROOSTER]

SP i never at any time suggested that you slag of anyone in front of kids i did the opposit by saying kids hearing and seeing parents fight verbly or phyically does no good and only hurts and confuses that child, so dont even go down that line and i simply pointed out that you rip into someone that we dont know and because you put it down on the web for all to see the masses will take your word for it, me if i met the man i might agree with you i may not you see i like to make my own mind up after all we dont know each other i could be a thug or a prick in your eyes on the other hand you could be all these things so you see i may not be so narrow minded as you suggest, luchergrrl i never said that you didnt or shouldnt get rid of course we should if things are not right and in your case i say well done because its his loss that he put drink in front of a loving family and partner to sum up what i say is a lot of kids see and hear things at home that confuse and mix them up thats why as parents we should never give up on them and that both mum and dad have a job to do even if they are not together but mum slagging dad off to a third party does no good because thekids often then hear third hand and then start to hate who ever is doing the slagging, SP just a thought what do the authorities say about this man after all a man who hangs children over bannisters surely cant be trusted with children and hopefully was punished, well i,ve said what i think narrow minded thats for you to decide we all have different views, i hope all goes well and anyone who has family prob please dont give up on the kids they might say they dont but they do need us and we need them cos without them their is no future . now lurchergrrl are they tacky boots or high heeled boots

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

Don't worry Roo, they're only Dunlop wellies.

 

Any man who can't get a grip on his drinking ain't much of a man. Especially when he's got a decent wife and three little babies at home. They can say their wife drives them to drink, but it's nothing more than a pathetic excuse for not having the balls to be a good husband and father. I used to walk my kids past the pub and my son would say 'that's daddy's house' He was 2. What kind of example is that for a kid to grow up with?

[Guest craftycarper]

kids are not just influenced by parents which is why there are so many problems these days. It seems to me of late that many are being treated like little adults from a very young age these days hence the many teen pregnancies,binge drinking etc. They are given too many choices of their own and the tantrums etc that this leads to when they don't get their own way is just an insight to what they become as they grow older i believe this turns to a higher level of anger and violence and basically the i'm indestructable attitude. As stated earlier there is no respect, it didn't help years ago that school discipline was done away with, cane and ruler etc kept the pressure up during the periods when away from home, these days they know they can't be touched by the police,teachers and parents, gone are the days of a clip around the ear by the local bobby, and if you ever had a teacher send a note home you would be crapping yourself as to what you old man was gonna do to you when he found out. You also can't blame it on single parents etc because not many years ago most women had the responsibility of bringing the children up on there own when the old man was overseas at war, many not returning home, and they managed ok. It is society that has been changing, anarchy on the streets, the attitude of not wanting to work and the fact that if i want that mobile or i pod that fellas got i am gonna take it from him, and if he objects then i'l stick him one.

I am not saying they are all like this, but there is a hell of a lot of them that are and they can be regarded as animals as when they are in packs the situation is gonna end up with someone fatally injured or dead as we have seen just far too often even in the last few days, i think the balance is starting to outweigh those of them that are good. Getting back to the issues mentioned earlier by rooster i would like to point out that it's not always the men that drink but also the ladies as well, both sexes can be abusive, verbally and mentally, and some people just drift apart fall out of love maybe from marrying at a very young age, it takes two people to make it work and at the end of the day if it can't be fixed then getting out is the only option for the sake of the children.....crikey that was a waffle an half...maybe it's time to change the title of this thread as it has wandered a little.....maybe we should rename it.... my parents are aliens....(for the sake of the youth of today)

[Guest ROOSTER]

crafty i agree with lots of what you say and in away you have pointd out a lot of the things parents should and used to do, like telling the kids to be in by a certain time and if theyre not well go and bring them in, in my youth if you werent in spot on the time one of my parents would come and tell me to get in and often it would be a mates parent out for them because we had went over time that way you dont have kids out to all hours with nothing to do and we know that a situation like that can lead to trouble, what i'm saying the parents make the rules from an early age and they make sure the rules are kept, you make a good point in that some kids are treated like adults but who treats them like this their parents of course so the parents are not doing the kids anygood, i have a brother in law who was a social worker he is now assistant manager of a secure unit for boys up to eighteen and when asked about the boys and trouble they have caused he says he often feels sorry for the kids because at least eighty percent have been in the system since they were toddlers due to their parents drug abuse/drink/been a bit simple or just to bloody lazy to look after them so like i first said lets not blame the kids for been rascals sometimes they really dont know any other way.I know that many go off the rails no matter what we do but often as they mature they see the error of their ways and get back on line this as to be encouraged thats why as parents we dont quit.

[ldh 0]

blimey, this thread has gone from what it means to be brithish , through immigration to how kids are braught up and its plain to see that there are some very intelligant people out there with their eyes open. the shame of it all is that these are not the people running the country.

now back on subject,

i couldnt give an 'airbourne fornication' what age, nationality, colour or breeding an individual is, if they are respectfull, hard working, intelligant and fair their welcome in my life, if they aint the the best thing for them is to steer well clear.

as far as the 'illegals' go i gotta agree with kicking them out, they shouldnt be here end of story, theres plenty more where they came from who would come here legally and be a decent member of socity.

yes there are , unfortunately alot of lazy arragrant gob sh*tes out there how refuse to work or make a decent atempt at becoming a worth while member of socity. well tis is where national service would be good so if there not making the effort into the army with them.

as for our kids ....what do people expect when, as parents, were not even allowed to disiplin/smack our kids, christ a teacher or copper cant even physically remove a diruptive child without fear of being arrested. i was a little git and got plenty of hindings from my parents and to be honest it did me good and went part way to making me who i am today ,where as these days a kid knows fully dam well that his/her parents will be the ones in the brown stuff if they get caught even making a threat let alone giving them a clip upside the ear.

quite franky its all bo**ocks, the route of the problem is how a country (which ever is in question) is run, you wouldnt fix a broken crankshaft by changing the spark plugs you go to the cause and sort that out first, and in this case it needs to be the goverment that gets sorted first then the rest will, all going well, start to get better

lee

[The Sporting Agent 0]

blimey, this thread has gone from what it means to be brithish , through immigration to how kids are braught up and its plain to see that there are some very intelligant people out there with their eyes open. the shame of it all is that these are not the people running the country.

now back on subject,

i couldnt give an 'airbourne fornication' what age, nationality, colour or breeding an individual is, if they are respectfull, hard working, intelligant and fair their welcome in my life, if they aint the the best thing for them is to steer well clear.

as far as the 'illegals' go i gotta agree with kicking them out, they shouldnt be here end of story, theres plenty more where they came from who would come here legally and be a decent member of socity.

yes there are , unfortunately alot of lazy arragrant gob sh*tes out there how refuse to work or make a decent atempt at becoming a worth while member of socity. well tis is where national service would be good so if there not making the effort into the army with them.

as for our kids ....what do people expect when, as parents, were not even allowed to disiplin/smack our kids, christ a teacher or copper cant even physically remove a diruptive child without fear of being arrested. i was a little git and got plenty of hindings from my parents and to be honest it did me good and went part way to making me who i am today ,where as these days a kid knows fully dam well that his/her parents will be the ones in the brown stuff if they get caught even making a threat let alone giving them a clip upside the ear.

quite franky its all bo**ocks, the route of the problem is how a country (which ever is in question) is run, you wouldnt fix a broken crankshaft by changing the spark plugs you go to the cause and sort that out first, and in this case it needs to be the goverment that gets sorted first then the rest will, all going well, start to get better

lee

[Guest craftycarper]

well said, it probably won't happen in my lifetime and i'm only 42....sad thing is that the country will probably end up being run by these silly little gobshites....i think we are starting to go full circle here now, we have become to clever for our own good and now seem to be reverting back to how times were medievel times and before, pillaging,rape and violence and taking what you want, shame the punishment system is not about that was in them days, maybe not a complete deterent but hey there would be no more overcrowding in prisons, and the likes of people like huntley,brady and whiting would have been swinging in the breeze . This has been an interesting thread covering a wide range of views on different topics including the starting title......makes you proud to be part of this forum and of what little great is left in great britain....

[The Sporting Agent 0]

well said, it probably won't happen in my lifetime and i'm only 42....sad thing is that the country will probably end up being run by these silly little gobshites....i think we are starting to go full circle here now, we have become to clever for our own good and now seem to be reverting back to how times were medievel times and before, pillaging,rape and violence and taking what you want, shame the punishment system is not about that was in them days, maybe not a complete deterent but hey there would be no more overcrowding in prisons, and the likes of people like huntley,brady and whiting would have been swinging in the breeze . This has been an interesting thread covering a wide range of views on different topics including the starting title......makes you proud to be part of this forum and of what little great is left in great britain....

There's a question.......Is there a "Great" in Britain any more?

Would society put up with compulsory military service or a conscript regiment within the army? With the death sentance? etc etc........we are so so "protective" of our rights and civil liberties in todays society that the "majority" would not put up with a system where real punnishment might work "what if we get the wrong person?" or "what about the rights of the criminal?" I hear the yogurt knitter cry....... WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THE REST OF US?? Normal, quiet decent law abidind citizens?

Afraid I just can't see it happening...........

Edited January 31, 2008 by The Sporting Agent

[FJager 0]

and they stop seeing fighting as wrong, rather it becomes normal and acceptable.

 

What a load of absolute bullsh#t! There is nothing wrong about a soldier fighting for his country and beliefs, nothing at f#cking all. Try telling this crap to the lads on active deployment right now, and to the families of the not so lucky ones protecting YOUR free way of life. Fighting in a war zone IS normal AND acceptable, don't get on a public forum and say otherwise, show some RESPECT!

[Andrea 2]

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[Guest oneredtrim]

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Edited February 6, 2008 by oneredtrim

[BIG DUG 0]

IN CASE ANY OF YOU DONT ALREADY KNOW!

 

We are facing a ban on snaring up here in Scotland - Seems terrible that there is very little mention of it on this message board.

 

The LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS has been asking all its folk to email MSPs to ban snaring. Us lot should be telling them not to imho.

 

Here is something from the SCA newsletter:

 

And before all you SACS folks start moaning, I havnt seen them doing anything about this yet so you will just have to read this from SCA.

 

“SNARING IS OFTEN THE ONLY OPTION!â€

Tell your MSP!

 

 

The SCA has been actively lobbying Holyrood on the importance of snaring, and each MSP has now received a briefing paper on the subject both by email and hard copy.

 

Ross Montague of the SCA commented “the positive feedback that we have received from individual MSPs has been encouraging, but we now need to let them know that we have weight of numbers behind us. Members, supporters and others who feel strongly about the need to retain snaring as legal form of pest control must now let their MSPs know.â€

 

“The SCA is concerned that, should snaring be banned, yet another vital pest control tool will be removed. There are many upland areas (grouse moors and their fringes in particular) where snaring is the only practical, viable and legal option for control of foxesâ€.

 

The League Against Cruel Sports and Advocates for Animals have been actively encouraging their supporters to email MSPs to call for a ban on snaring.

 

The SCA is now calling on all of you, our members, supporters and anyone else to email MSPs and tell them about the biodiversity and economic problems that a ban on snaring would cause.

 

Some Points you may wish to raise in your email:

 

• Snaring plays an important role in land management and ultimately in sustainable economic and social development of rural communities. Without snares, foxes and rabbits could inflict significantly greater damage on economic activities as diverse as agriculture, forestry and eco-tourism, all of which rely on a managed countryside.

• Scotland’s countryside managers operate to the highest standards and demonstrate best practice at all times. And already work to many industry codes of practice.

• A well-designed snare, set correctly, is a highly effective method of restraining foxes and rabbits until they can be humanely dispatched, and where other techniques such as trapping or shooting are neither suitable nor effective

• The game shooting industry is worth £240 million per annum to the Scottish economy

 

Click on the following link to find the contact details for your constituency and regional MSPs: www.scottish.parliament.uk/msp/membersPages/msplocator.htm

 

PLEASE FORWARD THIS HEATHER ROUTES ARTICLE ON TO ANYONE ELSE THAT YOU THINK CAN HELP! The more emails the better!

 

We would appreciate being copied in on any interesting replies that you may receive!

Please pass these on to ross-montague@countryside-alliance.org. Also please email Monty should you require any further information about snaring and our campaign.

[Tallyho 181]

THE GOVERMENT SHOULD GIVE THESE YOUNG DOSSER A CHOICE, WHEN THEY LEAVE SCHOOL THEY SHOULD EITHER JOIN THE ARMY FOR 3 YEARS, OR BE MADE TO GO OUT AND WORK, DONT GIVE THEM ANY INCOME SUPORT OR JOBS SEEKER ALLOWENCE, IT'S ALL TO EASY FOR THEM AT THE MOMENT, WHY SHOULD THEY WORK WHEN THEY GET MONEY TO EASY EVRY WEEK, IF ALL THAT STOPS AND THE GOVERMENT PUTS ITS BLOODY FOOT DOWN, THEY WILL HAVE TO WORK, THEN THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR ANY MORE EUROPEANS TO COME OVER AND WORK .

[Kay 3,709]

THE GOVERMENT SHOULD GIVE THESE YOUNG DOSSER A CHOICE, WHEN THEY LEAVE SCHOOL THEY SHOULD EITHER JOIN THE ARMY FOR 3 YEARS, OR BE MADE TO GO OUT AND WORK, DONT GIVE THEM ANY INCOME SUPORT OR JOBS SEEKER ALLOWENCE, IT'S ALL TO EASY FOR THEM AT THE MOMENT, WHY SHOULD THEY WORK WHEN THEY GET MONEY TO EASY EVRY WEEK, IF ALL THAT STOPS AND THE GOVERMENT PUTS ITS BLOODY FOOT DOWN, THEY WILL HAVE TO WORK, THEN THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR ANY MORE EUROPEANS TO COME OVER AND WORK .

 

well my son was in reciept of job seekers allowance , iits now stopped as he refused to do a course, so he has no money off the state anymore , but he still refuses to work