Being Britith......

[Guest craftycarper]

Well said girl if i had stayed home when my son was small maybe he wouldnt be snorting coke now

 

it don't make any difference Kay, they do what they want. I divorced in 95, i changed my job to see more of my kids. They have lived with me half of the working week ever since. Myself and my mother have always bought their clothes and school uniforms, paid for trips and taught them all the basics needed in life. Now two of them (boys)have left school, one is eighteen, the other just left school and my daughter is fifteen, they come and go as they please now that they are old enough with their own keys, sometimes they stay for a week or more as it suits them. The one that has just left school is working part time the elder one is just bumming around, can't keep a job down when he does get one for longer than a week, basically gets his first weeks money then disappears with his lowlife friends smoking weed all weekend and doesn't appear till maybe tuesday and then wonders why he has been sacked. He has stolen from my grandmother, taking his friends there to distract her while he raids her purse,i have had to sleep with my wallet under my pillow in the early days (now have a safe in me bedroom) i have had to put locks on my bedroom, living room and daughters room otherwise things go walkies. My bedroom is a tip basically as i have to keep fishing gear and all my shooting hunting gear in there otherwise it goes walkabout, i have also fitted cctv outside to keep track of who is coming and going as i work nights. Basically if you leave anything about the house it goes within a short space of time. He now lives with me full time as his mother threw him out 2 years ago...so i do know where you are coming from, but it's definately nowt to do with the way he has been brought up, it's the next generation thing, whats worrying is what the next lot, their offspring are going to be like.....

[Kay 3,709]

Well said girl if i had stayed home when my son was small maybe he wouldnt be snorting coke now

 

it don't make any difference Kay, they do what they want. I divorced in 95, i changed my job to see more of my kids. They have lived with me half of the working week ever since. Myself and my mother have always bought their clothes and school uniforms, paid for trips and taught them all the basics needed in life. Now two of them (boys)have left school, one is eighteen, the other just left school and my daughter is fifteen, they come and go as they please now that they are old enough with their own keys, sometimes they stay for a week or more as it suits them. The one that has just left school is working part time the elder one is just bumming around, can't keep a job down when he does get one for longer than a week, basically gets his first weeks money then disappears with his lowlife friends smoking weed all weekend and doesn't appear till maybe tuesday and then wonders why he has been sacked. He has stolen from my grandmother, taking his friends there to distract her while he raids her purse,i have had to sleep with my wallet under my pillow in the early days (now have a safe in me bedroom) i have had to put locks on my bedroom, living room and daughters room otherwise things go walkies. My bedroom is a tip basically as i have to keep fishing gear and all my shooting hunting gear in there otherwise it goes walkabout, i have also fitted cctv outside to keep track of who is coming and going as i work nights. Basically if you leave anything about the house it goes within a short space of time. He now lives with me full time as his mother threw him out 2 years ago...so i do know where you are coming from, but it's definately nowt to do with the way he has been brought up, it's the next generation thing, whats worrying is what the next lot, their offspring are going to be like.....

 

 

 

Exactly, thats why i am so glad he hasnt managed to father a child as yet, to be honest i have finnished crying over him, at first it was ''he will come good'' , just a phase but he hasnt lived here for years & broke his neck to get down to his dads house, who as much as i dislike him & his lifestyle always worked & i suppose to a degree was there but usually drunk

 

I just dont know anymore , i am preying my youngest will turn out ok , he is all i have got now & wouldnt be able to live with myself if he turned out a waster as well

 

WE had some stealing here as well, again like yourself money so i was very reluctent to allow him here on his own as i know he would take money if there was any lying around, its all very sad isnt it

[Guest gaia]

I work. I have worked since I left school. My job is not something that most people would want to do. It's bloody hard work but it pays my bills. When my children grow up I want them to be proud of me for working and I hope that they will learn that it is far far better to work and pay your way than to sit around on your arse and receive handouts.

By the way I also go out mooching in a skirt and wellies, much easier than trousers most days!

 

Erm, so are you saying that i sit around recieving handouts when I'm raising my kids at home till they start school? Because the eejit I married turned out to be more interested in the pub than his family, and I'm nobody's boot tread so I turfed him out for the sake of my kids. I'm at home with them when I'd really rather not be because I believe it's what's best for them and believe me, the dosh doesn't go far when you've got two in nappies. I worked all the way through school, part time, from the age of 13 and full time since I was 19 - I'm a lot of things but lazy ain't one of them. When they're on their way in school I'll be able to give back what I've been recieving by working hard like I always have.

 

And yes, tights are WAY easier to move around in than a pair of jeans Much more comfy when climing up a muddy slope

 

Ya TSA, I'm Canadian. My gran was from West Derby which enabled me to get a visa to come to Britain; commonwealth country and all that. I'm proud to be Canadian, proud to be living in a country like Britain, and totally ashamed of some of the humans in both places who hide their small minded ignorance behind racist comments.

 

Absolutely not Lurchergrrl! Sorry if I have offended you it's not what I ment at all. You are at home with your children looking after the next generation and hopefully putting them on the right tracks for the future. Its one thing to be at home with your children quite another to not be working because you can't be arsed. Anyway I think it is much harder to be at home with children than it is to go out to most jobs! I work nights so my husband is with the children when I am not there.

Really did not mean you or people in your situation.

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

Absolutely not Lurchergrrl! Sorry if I have offended you it's not what I ment at all. You are at home with your children looking after the next generation and hopefully putting them on the right tracks for the future. Its one thing to be at home with your children quite another to not be working because you can't be arsed. Anyway I think it is much harder to be at home with children than it is to go out to most jobs! I work nights so my husband is with the children when I am not there.

Really did not mean you or people in your situation.

 

No I figured you were talking more about those 'types' - you know 'em, hangin' round doin' nowt, happy to stay that way, and griping 'cause they're always skint

 

Being home with the kids is SO NOT FUN!! I'd rather be out having adult conversations, meeting new people, earning good money, making my way. But as you say, starting them off the best I can is the point of it all. Crikey, it's bloody hard work tho.

[witton 6]

hard for a british man to get a job

 

Don't make me laugh

Half of the british don't want to work anyway,they sooner just sit on there arses and get hand outs from the tax payer.

While their kids roam the streets dressed up as hobbits in their hoodies thinking they are bad ass gangster types.

There is a kid(17yrs old) who lives up the road from me who spends his whole day sat on his doorstep drinking lager and smoking weed,while his parents just sit on there fat arses watching tv,the lad can't even talk right he is that fecked up he always as a gang of younger kids hanging round him thinking he his a big man.

And that is the british workforce is it,god help us.

Thats clifton for ya mate

[Guest craftycarper]

Well said girl if i had stayed home when my son was small maybe he wouldnt be snorting coke now

 

it don't make any difference Kay, they do what they want. I divorced in 95, i changed my job to see more of my kids. They have lived with me half of the working week ever since. Myself and my mother have always bought their clothes and school uniforms, paid for trips and taught them all the basics needed in life. Now two of them (boys)have left school, one is eighteen, the other just left school and my daughter is fifteen, they come and go as they please now that they are old enough with their own keys, sometimes they stay for a week or more as it suits them. The one that has just left school is working part time the elder one is just bumming around, can't keep a job down when he does get one for longer than a week, basically gets his first weeks money then disappears with his lowlife friends smoking weed all weekend and doesn't appear till maybe tuesday and then wonders why he has been sacked. He has stolen from my grandmother, taking his friends there to distract her while he raids her purse,i have had to sleep with my wallet under my pillow in the early days (now have a safe in me bedroom) i have had to put locks on my bedroom, living room and daughters room otherwise things go walkies. My bedroom is a tip basically as i have to keep fishing gear and all my shooting hunting gear in there otherwise it goes walkabout, i have also fitted cctv outside to keep track of who is coming and going as i work nights. Basically if you leave anything about the house it goes within a short space of time. He now lives with me full time as his mother threw him out 2 years ago...so i do know where you are coming from, but it's definately nowt to do with the way he has been brought up, it's the next generation thing, whats worrying is what the next lot, their offspring are going to be like.....

 

 

 

Exactly, thats why i am so glad he hasnt managed to father a child as yet, to be honest i have finnished crying over him, at first it was ''he will come good'' , just a phase but he hasnt lived here for years & broke his neck to get down to his dads house, who as much as i dislike him & his lifestyle always worked & i suppose to a degree was there but usually drunk

 

I just dont know anymore , i am preying my youngest will turn out ok , he is all i have got now & wouldnt be able to live with myself if he turned out a waster as well

 

WE had some stealing here as well, again like yourself money so i was very reluctent to allow him here on his own as i know he would take money if there was any lying around, its all very sad isnt it

 

well it happened again this morning, got in from work early and off he went with his fishing rod, only been gone 45 minutes and i was out back sorting the ferts and chooks when i see this rod appear over the back gate, by the time i had got me boots off and in he had managed to dump the rest of his gear in his room and get into my room and take a twenty pound note out me work trousers(forgot to lock me room) and he was gone this time he's gonna get a slap when i catch up with him, he's now eighteen and i have put it off far too long....i'm affraid it's for him now

[The Sporting Agent 0]

I sympathise with those of you talking about your "children" above. I don't mean that to sound patronising if it does. I'm 29 with a 4 yo (almost) step daugher, so don't have any of the experiances that you are talking about. But we see and hear on a daily basis stories and pictures in the media portraying the younger generation as louts, wearing hoodies, standing on street corners causing trouble; then we hear the otherside, the "hug-a-hoodie" debate, that these guys are missunderstood, that they can't get jobs because of public perception not that they won't get jobs etc.....

 

I was wondering what you as parents of children you openly admit are too lazy to get jobs or do anything constructive think needs to be done; is it society, is it them thinking the world owes them a living, is it popular media for giving the belief that everyone should have the same money and bling as the Beckhams.....I don't know; I personaly think its society in general being apathetic and this is just an extreme example..........

 

Is there an answer?

[SNAP SHOT 194]

yeah and that answer, IS NATIONAL SERVICE 3 YEARS MIN...................

[Halfinch 51]

There are some f*****g hypocrites on this thread. Have a bit of common decency, and compassion for your fellow man, regardless of the colour of a mans skin, we are all the same under it.There are good and bad, in every race. I,d sooner have a group of poles, than the f*****g chav scum, the "elite white race" is currently breeding.They have f**k all to do with me...........parasites.

 

MMM, "Regardless of the colour of a mans skin", "elite white race", Both quotes came from you Baldie.

 

I Believe you are the first person to start harping on about colour, I agree that the colour of a mans skin should make no difference.

So why did you mention it?

 

A lot of people on here have agreed that todays English youngsters don't want to work, very true, but notice the word ENGLISH youngsters,

I'm sure that doesn't refer to just one colour as you seem to insinuate.

 

The mention of colour came, because i can see the way this thread thread is going. Its going exactly the same way as all the other biggotted , racist shite, that perpetuates this particular column, and if you had been a member for more than 5 minutes, you would be able to remember some of the absolutely disgusting, vile, and downright illegal comments regarding race, colour, and immigrants. There are members here who are mixed race, or partners are black, coloured, foreign, whatever, why should they have to read this shite?

How do you like them apples?...now you twist on it.

 

I,m sorry to hear your story kay, thats very sad.

 

Yes! i have Only been a member on THIS forum for " 5 minutes" Does that make me a lesser person? I have been a member of the human race for a hell of a lot longer, And in my VAST experience you get racists and biggots in all walks of life, not just from "white trash", It seems you are here to moderate, not just to slag off "new" members for being new.

If Someone goes down the racist line, do your job and moderate them.

But thankyou for the welcolm

By the way i like my apples stewed.... so feel free to swivel on that.

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

I sympathise with those of you talking about your "children" above. I don't mean that to sound patronising if it does. I'm 29 with a 4 yo (almost) step daugher, so don't have any of the experiances that you are talking about. But we see and hear on a daily basis stories and pictures in the media portraying the younger generation as louts, wearing hoodies, standing on street corners causing trouble; then we hear the otherside, the "hug-a-hoodie" debate, that these guys are missunderstood, that they can't get jobs because of public perception not that they won't get jobs etc.....

 

I was wondering what you as parents of children you openly admit are too lazy to get jobs or do anything constructive think needs to be done; is it society, is it them thinking the world owes them a living, is it popular media for giving the belief that everyone should have the same money and bling as the Beckhams.....I don't know; I personaly think its society in general being apathetic and this is just an extreme example..........

 

Is there an answer?

 

That's a hard one to answer. When my dog was hit by a train, it was 4 young lads who came running out to me when I rang one of them up. Folks round here avoid them, think they're nowt but trouble etc. But those lads are stars in my opinion. They got themselves covered in blood and muck, getting my dog off the tracks and helping me carry him further away to be buried. I was totally hysterical and they cared enough to be there for me. I'll never forget it - there's not too many grown men who would've done what those boys did.

 

Don't know what the solution is but I know this much: I've always been level with the lads round here. I stop to talk to them (they've got lurchers as well), I have a laugh with them, I ask their opinions on my dogs etc. And they've always been right with me. I don't talk to them like their scum, I treat them like the human beings they are. Maybe more people should do that. If they're not getting any respect at home, maybe they would see that the whole world isn't frowning at them just because they tuck their pants into the socks and hide in their hoodies.

 

Oh, and national service sounds like a really good thing too

[Bullyhunt 0]

the first post you put on lord b was fu££%@g bob on!!!!!!

[The Sporting Agent 0]

yeah and that answer, IS NATIONAL SERVICE 3 YEARS MIN...................

I'm never sure about the National Service debate, or the conscription one......I understand the argument and see that it has worked in the past, and indeed still does in many countries.

My problem with it is from the paid soldiers point of view and one of cohesion. As someone who has served volunterally; ie I joined up; I would not feel overly impressed standing next to a man who had been told to be there by the Government and didn't really want to be there. I know in all walks of life there are guys doing jobs they don't like or want to do; but most people in the forces in the main are there because they chose to be and want to be. Is it fair to make them stand next to a tos*er that doesn't want to be there, hates being there and has no respect for his colleagues? Especially in a working environment like the army.....It devalues the effort the "real" soldier puts into his job....

 

Maybe we aught to look at a dedicated regiment for conscripts? A specific infantry (fronT line fighting) unit staffed by regular officers and sNCO's, for those who commit minor crimes (instead of prison) or the long term bone idle unemployed...........

pay them........tax them.........work them.........HARD.

[Malt 379]

Yes, there is a problem with some of todays youths, but I feel we're in danger of tarring them all with the same brush. The problem is that it's always the mindless minority that get the most headlines. Just an example, and I'm just using this as an example, is that with the amount of media coverage that muslims in this country get, you would think that half the population was muslim. My point is, yes there are a lot of lazy, drug addled, thuggish young men and women in this country, more than there should be. But for every one of them, I bet there's 100 or more, decent youngsters, that are determined to make something of themselves. It's just easy to forget the silent majority at times, because they don't make good news in todays hysterical, media fueled society.

[The Sporting Agent 0]

Yes, there is a problem with some of todays youths, but I feel we're in danger of tarring them all with the same brush. The problem is that it's always the mindless minority that get the most headlines. Just an example, and I'm just using this as an example, is that with the amount of media coverage that muslims in this country get, you would think that half the population was muslim. My point is, yes there are a lot of lazy, drug addled, thuggish young men and women in this country, more than there should be. But for every one of them, I bet there's 100 or more, decent youngsters, that are determined to make something of themselves. It's just easy to forget the silent majority at times, because they don't make good news in todays hysterical, media fueled society.

Thats a bloody valid point.................

[Andrea 2]

I have had a similar debate with someone before, and was shot down for suggesting he looked on his own childhood through rose tinted glasses. We all do it.

 

People believe that we are living in some sort of crime ridden society, with youths running around like crazed animals ready to shoot or stab the first decent person they come across. I hear it all the time, about how crime is on the rise, no one has respect and the youth of today have become like half tamed animals. Well i think this is false.

The media has much to be blamed for in these cases, they love nothing better than to stir up mass panic in order to sell newspapers and it’s this type of scaremongering that give the general public a false impression.

 

Sure there’s crime, and crime has risen, but that’s a natural increase due to an increase in the population. And yes kids are stealing from other kids, but then they always have.

Once, kid’s may have stole each others conkers and parents would sort it out amongst each other, but now children are walking the streets with MP3 players and mobile phone’s and it’s these that are now getting stolen, as a result, parents are far more inclined to contact the police which is one way of accounting for the rise in youth crime.

 

Before blaming the children, i think we should be blaming ourselves for allowing society to become so materialistic that kids feel inadequate or outcast’s for not having the smarted clothes, expensive mobiles or the best computer’s.

I may be getting old, but when i was a child i was happy with a skipping rope