who will be the next pm ?

[jukel123 8,664]

Yes everybody expects the triple lock to be dropped in the next tory manifesto. 

 Triple lock is either wage growth, 2.5% or annual inflation, all measured  by cpi.

Edited July 24, 2022 by jukel123

[Lenmcharristar 9,906]

2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Took my old bitch to the vet last week.I

The level of union membership in modern forward thinking counties in Europe is around 90%. Unions participate in management decisions and their input is genuinely valued. Here the unions are treated as the devil, they are in retreat and are pretty weak anyway. Hence low pay.

I remember in the sixties I was working in a textile mill and they used to have separate toilets for management and workers.  A mate was caught short and had a dump in the staff toilets. He was suspended for three days. He went to the shop steward and we were all on strike within the hour. They had a big order on so the management apologised, reinstated my mate and did away with separate toilets.The papers got hold of the story and called us all communists and blackmailers for holding the company to ransom. What a f****n joke. After that we got more concessions from the management. They used to have management parking spaces and we said f**k that why should they have that. They abandoned the idea of separate parking and gave the spaces to deliveries and visitors. Unions are great when they have proper clout and everyone sticks together.

Problem with the unions is that the reps get above their station, they get given a we cushy desk in the staff office and are made to feel that they matter, well after a few weeks they turn and take back handers then sign your rights away, ive seen that happen multiple times

[chartpolski 24,590]

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Why are we wanting to export more gas to Europe, in fact, why are we exporting ANY gas to Europe ?

The doom mongers are forecasting power cuts, gas rationing and old people dying because they can't heat their homes, gas and electricity prices forecast to TRIPLE by January.........be they want to send MORE gas to Europe ?

I thought we didn't have enough for ourselves ?????

Cheers.

[WILF 47,631]

3 hours ago, jukel123 said:

What does left wing mean? If it means the desire for the same level of employment protection, sick pay, pensions, the same  levels of,education and health spending as is enjoyed by people in civilised countries  like the nordic countries and in Germany, France and Spain then I'm a leftie.

The main reason we had such high European  immigration was because employers in this country can hire and fire on a  whim and pay washers to people. Low wage costs means employers don't have to invest in modern machinery which imo at least holds productivity in the UK  back.

There was a study published a few weeks back which demonstrated that british workers' pay was around 8 grand less than comparative countries when you take into account the "social wage", i.e better pensions, sick pay and health care which are enjoyed in other European countries. 

The press and the media are controlled by the mega rich. They have successfully taught us that "left wing" means wokeness, love of minorities and transgender issues, it is used as an insult. Its f**k all to do with that it's about being on the side of your own people: _the workers if you like.

Labour has abandoned its own people. I don't know what Starmer and Co stand for. Corbyn's big idea was a tenner an hour minimum pay rate. Big f****n deal. Nobody can bring a family up and pay their bills on that. Yet a man in the fiftiesand sixties could pay his bills on one wage.

My nephew lost a finger at work a month back. He gets £94 a week sick pay. People in the rest of Europe get a very high percentage of their wage   no questions asked when they are sick. All he gets from his boss is "when aree you coming back, can't keep the job open for ever you know."

In his farewell speech Johnstone advised "stay close to America". He would say that. The tories, like the yanks, are big into ruthless, dog _eat_ dog capitalism. You can still have a healthy capitalist system and look after your people as is proved by the countries I've referred to. We have a kind of social apartheid in this country where the workers who do all the work and create all the wealth are treated like shit. We still have a horrible, victorian divisive class system.We ares stuck in the cap doffing past. Power to the people! And f**k the tories. And f**k the press barons too.

 

 

 

 

I don’t think having a sense of social responsibility has anything to do with being left wing, it’s a simple belief in helping your own if you can.

What we have seen with successive governments (and it’s more pronounced with left wing politics) is that enforced charity is no charity at all !

I think the minimum wage was the biggest con on the working man in history ! , the market should set the rate but it can’t when you skew the market with incomers…..now all firms have to do is budget at £10 an hour and job done, take it or leave it and because they are all budgeting at that where do people go ? 
 

There is no incentive to be better as a company, there no incentive to be good at something as a worker, your money is stolen to fund all this nonsense and everyone just ends up feeling dejected and bitter.

People talk about fair tax, fair would be everyone pays exactly the same….that’s fair in any other reality but because of socialism and greed the people who would end up paying the most into the pot find ways to minimise or pay in a cheaper tax country.

And why wouldn’t they when you see how it gets pissed away. 

There’s right, there’s left and then there’s just ordinary common sense.

 

 

[jukel123 8,664]

1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

National Grid asks for emergency permission to pump more gas to Europe to fill storage facilities | Daily Mail Online

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Wracked by a full-blown energy crisis, operators have ramped up the capacity of pipelines exporting gas from Britain to the Netherlands as Europe braces for the...

 

Why are we wanting to export more gas to Europe, in fact, why are we exporting ANY gas to Europe ?

The doom mongers are forecasting power cuts, gas rationing and old people dying because they can't heat their homes, gas and electricity prices forecast to TRIPLE by January.........be they want to send MORE gas to Europe ?

I thought we didn't have enough for ourselves ?????

Cheers.

The problem is we sold off our oil and gas to the highest  bidder. We don't own our own energy sources, foreign multi nationals do. They will sell to the highest bidder. Compare our approach to those forward thinking countries which put all their oil and gas into a central fund for the good of its citizens. Norway? Iceland? I think.

 

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[iworkwhippets 12,708]

22 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I thought the triple lock was either wage growth, inflation or 2.5% ?

Last year wage growth was around 8%, so they suspended the triple lock and then it was whichever was highest, inflation or 2.5 %.

Inflation was only around 1.5 %, (how fortuitous was that ? ), 

So we got the 2.5 %, which neant I got the grand total of £2.80 per week rise in my pension, but my gas and electricity bill rose by £60 per month !

Sunak promised to reinstate the triple lock for next year, but with inflation guaranteed to be in double digits by September, don't be supprised if whoever is the next Chancellor suspends the triple lock again !

Cheers.

  Eh, how much £2.80 , i got £2.10 ,    im slowly giving up the will to carry on in this life, im sincerely thinking of going to poundland in the morning fer some rope,   thats after my breakfast of course 

[mackem 27,525]

1 minute ago, iworkwhippets said:

  Eh, how much £2.80 , i got £2.10 ,    im slowly giving up the will to carry on in this life, im sincerely thinking of going to poundland in the morning fer some rope,   thats after my breakfast of course 

Ha'way man, as long as there's breath in your lungs there's hope in life mate

[chartpolski 24,590]

3 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

The problem is we sold off our oil and gas to the highest  bidder. We don't own our own energy sources, foreign multi nationals do. They will sell to the highest bidder. Compare our approach to those forward thinking countries which put all their oil and gas into a central fund for the good of its citizens. Norway? Iceland? I think.

 

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I was being slightly rhetorical asking "why".

I think a lot has to do with the fact we run down our storage facilities and sold off all the excess gas we produce.

But now that supply is down and endangered by the Russians, and the price has gone through the roof, that now seems like a very bad move.

Successive governments had lived for today instead of planning for tomorrow . It would take years to significantly improve our storage capacity.

Why not just say we will only export gas as long as we in the U.K. don't experience any shortages ? ( Again, rhetorical, imagine any politician putting our own people first ? ).

Cheers.

[jukel123 8,664]

Just now, chartpolski said:

I was being slightly rhetorical asking "why".

I think a lot has to do with the fact we run down our storage facilities and sold off all the excess gas we produce.

But now that supply is down and endangered by the Russians, and the price has gone through the roof, that now seems like a very bad move.

Successive governments had lived for today instead of planning for tomorrow . It would take years to significantly improve our storage capacity.

Why not just say we will only export gas as long as we in the U.K. don't experience any shortages ? ( Again, rhetorical, imagine any politician putting our own people first ? ).

Cheers.

Agreed. Of all people you would think politicians would plan for the future  good of its citizens. Some hope. 

[waltjnr 7,019]

7 minutes ago, iworkwhippets said:

  Eh, how much £2.80 , i got £2.10 ,    im slowly giving up the will to carry on in this life, im sincerely thinking of going to poundland in the morning fer some rope,   thats after my breakfast of course 

Mmmm, pound land rope ? Your taking a chance ,probably just break your ankles when rope snaps ! 

[WILF 47,631]

Just now, jukel123 said:

Agreed. Of all people you would think politicians would plan for the future  good of its citizens. Some hope. 

Politicians have not planned with indigenous British people in mind since 1947 ! 
We can all see that now the horse has bolted mate.

As I have said before, for an ordinary bloke to talk about Labour or Tory any more is just ridiculous…..these people shouldn’t even figure in our thinking when discussing the future of our politics.

The sooner we write them off, the sooner we can try to fix things.

[WILF 47,631]

2 minutes ago, waltjnr said:

Mmmm, pound land rope ? Your taking a chance ,probably just break your ankles when rope snaps ! 

Probably buy a set of braces and fracture his skull on the ceiling ! Lol  

[jukel123 8,664]

Just now, WILF said:

Politicians have not planned with indigenous British people in mind since 1947 ! 
We can all see that now the horse has bolted mate.

As I have said before, for an ordinary bloke to talk about Labour or Tory any more is just ridiculous…..these people shouldn’t even figure in our thinking when discussing the future of our politics.

The sooner we write them off, the sooner we can try to fix things.

Do you think proportional representation would be worth pursuing?  I do. The tories always get in despite a minority of people voting for them. Critics say you always get watered down policies, but first past the post produces parties which the majority didn't vote for. At best it could stop the excesses of one particular party.

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[WILF 47,631]

32 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Do you think proportional representation would be worth pursuing?  I do. The tories always get in despite a minority of people voting for them. Critics say you always get watered down policies, but first past the post produces parties which the majority didn't vote for. At best it could stop the excesses of one particular party.

PR would be a start and hands up, I was idiot enough to believe the bullshit at the time of the referendum and vote against it !!……hopefully I’m a little better informed now.

Fool me once blah blah 

PR would be fantastic and hopefully give more nationalistic party’s a way in.