When do you become a pedler?

[minion 29]

After reading through some of the posts it got me thinking, when do you become a pedler?

 

Now Hancock is an obvious one but blue-boy pointed that Mike Brown turns out a good few puppies but what makes a pedler?

 

Say you have a couple of whippets and you breed them alternite years are you a pedler or someone who is enthusiastic about your chosen breed. Is it wrong to make a bit of money from breeding? And at £350 - £400 a pup dont tell me that there's no money in it!

 

It must be a thought whippet owners have? I certianly have thought about it. I cant see me breeding alot of pups as I have two young kids and couldn't be bothered with the hasle. Yes i would like to breed a litter and keep a pup back in the future but would I be tempted to carry out repeat maitings for proffit? who knows?

 

8 pups @ £350- £400 each is £2800 - £3200. take away your costs you would still have a healthy proffit. Would that make you a pedler?

 

The more bitches you had the less you can work them?

 

Is it right to make money from your working dogs?

 

I have a whippet bred by Itallion Stalion and he only took £250 a pup for a KC reg whippet. Would paying £350 - £400 give me a better dog?

 

I thought this would make an intresting debate.

 

So, how many litters make you a pedler? Is it right to make money from your dogs?

 

It would be intresting to hear from people who breed regular litters to see their views.

 

Im not judging people who breed reguarly. Im open minded and as long as their dogs are cared for I would not condone anyone but just wanted to hear peoples views.

[breeze 1,290]

This is just my opinion, but I would say that you should be breeding for yourself ie: with the intention of keeping a pup back.

If your breeding for £££££'s then that's when you start to cross the line of Puppy peddleing

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

in my eyes a litter should only be bred if the lad who owns the bitch is wanting a pup or two for himself, i think as soon as you start having litters and selling all the pups you become a peddler, also it questions why the person doesnt want to keep a pup, maybe the parents aren't up to scratch?IMHO...

 

this applies to both lurchers and terriers but most importantly terriers as people should have standards based on earthwork, however with lurchers some people strive for coursing dogs whereas others look for a deer dog etc etc...like i say, only my opinion...

Edited January 22, 2008 by Rabbit Hunter

[lanesra 3,994]

ive visited mike brown a couple of times always been made welcome, his enthusiasim for his dogs and knowledge of them is 2nd to none, kennels are exellent off course he makes a few pound but who would begrudge him that if people are happy with the pup they get {and a pal for as long as the dog has breath in its body and thats priceless} someone will always knock him cause his dogs are bein praised and are valued {not money wise} but that happens in every walk of life and my opinion he is DEFINETLY NOT a puppy peddler ....just my thoughts.

[minion 29]

For the record Im not judging Mike Brown or enyone else for that matter.

 

Just wanted to see what people thought.

[Guest blue_boy]

This is just my opinion, but I would say that you should be breeding for yourself ie: with the intention of keeping a pup back.

If your breeding for £££££'s then that's when you start to cross the line of Puppy peddleing

 

 

hit the nail on the head in 3 sentences

 

 

6 to 7 bitches 2 dogs high stud fees litters mosly all year round nice to your face type album with one dog in it who has done a bit of work and won mainly shows and pictures of PUPS you have produced say you work them when you dont regardless who they are if you agree with it get out the dog game open a stall or something hunting is more than making money i have seen loads of dogs bread by dedicated dog men like the very few i see on here that are just as good as any peddlers dogs no point of arguing over it just keep putting cash into peddlers pockets and critasize anyone who sticks a litter on here

 

 

nothing wrong with having the odd litter making a bit of pocket money as long as theres a good motive behind it keep on breeding descent litters fellow hunters dont let the peddlers get in the way and think there dogs are bread any better than yours all the best blue boy

[timjim 43]

a puppy peddlar to me is someone who has no regard or care for the dogs he is breeding, just seeing them as money makers, i believe mike brown is very passionate about his dogs and he is producing some quality dogs, good luck to him i say and would never label someone like that a peddlar

Tim

[Guest bitsa lurcher]

breeding for ££££££££ is peddling

[bill88 6]

Good thread minion.Never hear many negative comments about Mikes dogs,but then again theres an awfull lot of folk with Hancocks dogs,that are more than happy with what they bought.My oppinion is,if you are breeding purely for profit,whilst knowing what you breed wont make the grade,then thats a peddler,and as we know there are lots about.

[jedandlevo 8]

ive seen some dogs that ahve been use to make money not all lurchers and the look old and nackerd when they should be in their prime its sad to see a dog like that i think people who just breed dogs for the money should be banned from having them in my opinon

[ghengis 4]

breeding for ££££££££ is peddling

Spot on..

[Guest little lurcher]

i will try to answer as honestly as possible as a small time breeder

 

i work and show my dogs be it the lurchers or the whippets, the kc reg whippets are reg in both my dads and my name as we own the affix jointly , however the 2 bitches and the stud dog are my fathers, i have now raised 4 litters here in nearly 3 yrs , at cost to myself and not my dad as i got a pup for free , therefore allowing me eventually to have my own breeding stock , i like the whippets i like their lines and do all they say on the tin, usually the pups are priced at 350-400 with 1st vaccs and chipping with kc reg too,although friends do get them cheaper, all have plenty of food and written advice to go with and involves a contract also lifetime support ,many show breeders charge 500 for similar lines with nothing added , price is for pup only

 

1 bitch has had 2 litters with a 5 and a 6 (1 sadly died 12hrs old) so thats 10 in total, she is now nearly 6, add up 5 x £38.75 1st vaccs, then £10 per dog for vet check at 6 weeks , further £20 for covering letter for copying to give to owners, microchips at £15 , before you even add up the cost of feeding high quality food to pregnant then whelping and feeding bitch, then a litter on top , then kc reg of the pups , there is a profit, but take away also 350 for the pup i have kept, you will never be rich on that!!! two of the second litter were sold to people whom had from us efore and wanted to stay with us as they were happy with what they had got and wanted to go nowhere else as they felt we were the breeders for them

 

the other bitch is now different, she has had 2 lots of 4`s again with me keeping one, only one was sold at full price , 2 went to friends at almost half price, from 1 st litter 2 nd litter i have 1 and another 2 are sold at reduced rate , 1 was to a friend and the other to a new member on here whom i liked the home and job he was going to do with bleu, its a working home , the other was booked before it was even a twinkle , she liked my bitch and wanted her so next best thing is full sister , now she has been kept til she will be 20 weeks still at same asking price , free of charge for additional length of time here , the home being not ready as yet but perfect when its right, there is no profit from this litter at all as mum had major injury firework night and thus we got an £800 vet bill and additional care costs of pups

 

 

i feel im doing right by my dogs and by own breeding practices, as long as my dogs are happy then so am i , at the end of the day you would have to breed on a large scale to make any true profit as when you add up jabs, general feeding and maintenence , worming, up keep and the other additional costs that go along with general dog care , you would have to go a long way to get rich at it

[moter poacher 2]

so anyone who breeds a litter olds one back for themself should give rest away?if they sell them for money there a peddler

[Guest SJM]

I think the problem is not people breeding and selling animals, its more the issue of the animals welfare, ie are they leading a happy and stress free life in a good environment? and also the issue of whether or not the buyers are being treated fairly and honestly. The reason why I think the issue of peddling comes up so often in the working dog world is because a lot of people go about selling their pups all wrong and therefore make a rod for their own backs. They try to market their highly priced pups to the working dog community as potential workers and the lightly worked parents as world beaters which only draws the venom from those who are trying to do things the right way ie breed only from well tested stock and give the pups to trusted people and friends free of charge. If people were more honest about what they breed and sell the problem wouldnt arise so much. If your going to breed a litter for profit, why not make life easier for yourself (and everyone else) and just sell them to pet homes only? that way the buyer goes away happy as their only expectations of the dog is to be a companion, which is usually a pretty easy order to fulfill. Well thats my philosophy on things. I know quite a few folk who breed dogs and that provides their entire income. Funnily enough one couple springs straight to mind, they are driving about in big fancy jeeps, their kids are spoiled rotten with everything they want, their house is pretty decent and they always seem pretty happy with themselves, perhaps thats why people hate peddlers so much, because of jealousy? Its seen as a short cut to success, a get rich quick scheme when others are out slogging their asses off for half the money? They have giant breed dogs and their pups are fetching a grand apeice which is nice work if you can get it!! but personally Id have to like the dogs I bred and Ive got no time for anything that isnt useful or functional in any way, but hats off to them, they have people queuing up to buy their pups so they must be doing something right!

[BULL 91]

so anyone who breeds a litter olds one back for themself should give rest away?if they sell them for money there a peddler

what about someone who has a outstanding well bred proven dog in his field foxing ,coursing ,etc that is much sought after and is put up for stud time an time again taking a stud fee or pick of the litter ,putting his dog across any lurcher that asks is this puppy peddling or a lucritive perk with no hassel of raising pups