First Bull X -

[SavantK9 105]

10 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

them white tails can’t be caught if you believe what you hear on here a 44 lg deer will be no problem for the dog if it’s capable mate 

enjoyed the read if your happy with the dog enjoy it that’s all that matters 

Ha. I’d enjoy him more if he was a faster starter. But alas. Comparison is the thief of joy.

 

My heavy deer/wolf x’s were much more useful far earlier on fur but I also raised them from pups. Did a fair bit of foundation work. 

Edited April 27, 2022 by SavantK9

[mC HULL 12,174]

4 minutes ago, SavantK9 said:

Ha. I’d enjoy him more if he was a faster starter. But alas. Comparison is the thief of joy.

 

My heavy deer/wolf x’s were much more useful far earlier on fur but I also raised them from pups. Did a fair bit of foundation work. 

it’s always best as you say to get them out and about from pups mate let em enter thereself but some that a taking time are sometimes better to let watch a capable dog and keep them on a lead until there summersaulting to get off some though are culls as you say not all make the grade 

[mackem 26,168]

3 hours ago, SavantK9 said:

What I began to realize was he needed the “deer to start the action” - if I caused them to run he was ready to go. I needed him to learn that he could initiate the chase. A few run ins with the local herd and he began to get the picture.  That he himself could prompt the action. I started to become suprised by his speed, considering he’s half Apbt. 
 

I had decided that he’d get 6mo after arrival to show me something. The fact that some progress was better than zero progress was a plus. Figured the experience would make me a better handler. 
 

I’m coming from a terrier and bull/molosser background. My experience with stags was limited to raising pups and I never had issue, but he was an interesting case. Not to mention one of the better lookin dogs I had come across - its not a popular cross in the states. 
 

A few young rabbits, and even a groundhog I learned the desire to chase what’s there, but he was all play. Catch, toss em around, let them run away, catch them again. The “penny” hadn’t dropped, and that killer instinct was no where to be found. I’d let him finish the rabbits, and exposed him to the ground hog - thinking larger quarry with more “fight” could spur some action out of him. 
 

sure he took off after it. But groundhogs tend to stand their ground, don’t have much of a neck, and aren’t afraid to lay teeth. The lurcher took off, ground hog turned around and nailed him right in the nose. The lurcher stood there confused, simply trying to sniff it. He didn’t run away scared, handled the “bite well” but was more curious than anything.

Do they give an account of themselves against a dog? I walked past one 5 minutes ago,they look docile? 

[SavantK9 105]

4 minutes ago, mackem said:

Do they give an account of themselves against a dog? I walked past one 5 minutes ago,they look docile? 

They’ve got some size to them. Tough skin, no neck and are all muscle with long teeth. Giant ground squirrels. 
 

One of my female mastiffs took one yesterday and had some minor teeth marks to her neck. They don’t last long with a proper crunch to the body. But they will turn and defend themselves. 

Edited April 27, 2022 by SavantK9

[mackem 26,168]

1 minute ago, SavantK9 said:

They’ve got some size to them. Tough skin, no neck and are all muscle with long teeth. Giant ground squirrels. 
 

One of my female mastiffs took one yesterday and had some minor teeth marks to her neck. They don’t last long with a proper crunch to the body. But they will turn and defend themselves. 

Good pics, loads of groundhogs about, must have seen 20 today. 

[D Lloyd 2,790]

Is it legal to take ground hog and coon over there lads what ells is legal for lurcher day and night

[SavantK9 105]

1 minute ago, D Lloyd said:

Is it legal to take ground hog and coon over there lads what ells is legal for lurcher day and night

There are designated seasons for aforementioned furbearers as well as landowner nuisance animal “takes” permitted 

[fireman 10,861]

One thing i will say and you know already is when a big lump of a lurcher takes hold of a 20 lb terrier there is only one winner and it can only take one shake,watch that dog with a protective terrier and the best of luck with the big lump as he looks a cracker and it don't seem like anything is wrong he's just coming on in his own time and he's a dog that's taking it's time to mature..

[SavantK9 105]

Winter came a went - as did a few chases of the fox. Our area is full of them. One particular lesson was invaluable - where he investigated an area where the fox was bedded down, and was able to pair the scent with the quarry. He followed the scent until the fox made a move. 
 

some of these guys are extremely bold, we’re able to call them in with rabbit distress calls played off YouTube - we’ll start setting the dog up for success and hitting some fields. This just happens to be the woods behind the house 

Edited April 27, 2022 by SavantK9

[Moocher71 4,049]

The more you get him behind stuff the better and I'm sure if he's run with a experienced deer ,fox dog the penny will drop. 

 

[SheepChaser 8,083]

Nah, Katchum says it’s not possible  

[SavantK9 105]

Been on a fair bit of fox chases the past couple months and is beginning to airscent. He’ll key up on an area before the quarry starts moving, both fox and deer. He’s also learned how to follow the beam - learned that it = eyeshine.  He’s not quite as fast as his pure lurcher buddy, but they hunt well together and his nose yields hidden game. 
 

Fur season starts this October. Looks like he’s ready. Really need something that’ll test his mettle. 
 

 

[mr moocher 918]

looking good glad hes come on,i look forward to hearing how he does atb

[Shefflad69 214]

On 27/04/2022 at 16:10, SavantK9 said:

Wanting to document the experiences I’ve had with my first Bull X. Received him just shy of 2yo due to lack of work. First Cross, APBT (OFRN/Redboy) x Heavy Greyhound with a touch of borzoi/wolfhound. 

This is my first Bull X and first sighthound taken in as an adolescent dog. I’ve had two previous deer/wolf x greys as puppies. So obtaining a dog raised elsewhere is quite different for me. 

Upon arrival I can tell he was a very immature dog with a lot of puppy in him, he was relatively shy and quite reserved socially with me for the first few weeks, but surprisingly confident and self assured in new environments/public/working dog competitions (I have a k9 bitework background) and used a weekend trial as an evaluative tool. 
 

I’ve worked with a few hunting stags that environmentally were extremely nervous and timid in new places. Cowarding, insecure - so to me - environmental stability and confidence is extremely important in the breed types. If new things “scare you” or make you nervous and you don’t recover quickly - I have no use for you. 
 

pictured is him among arrival  

 

Needs a bit more meet on his bones but looking good so far 

[fireman 10,861]

He still looks puppyish so i'd choose carefuly just what to test his metal on as likes been said he's just taking his time to mature and once out gunned young it's not easy to build them up to get to that point again and them to stay at it, looks a grand  youngster and the best of luck for the fur season..