How did everything get named...

[WILF 48,305]

  On 26/04/2022 at 08:40, Neal said:

Thanks shaaark. As soon as I'd posted it I thought to myself 'or is it head?'

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Probably one and the same thing, I believe ancient Celtic languages (as do many languages) use the same word for different things.

So head & face would be exactly the same thing because it’s the same part of the body 

[greg64 2,939]

  On 26/04/2022 at 09:05, WILF said:

Probably one and the same thing, I believe ancient Celtic languages (as do many languages) use the same word for different things.

So head & face would be exactly the same thing because it’s the same part of the body 

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pen in welsh can also mean top or end 

[socks 32,253]

  On 26/04/2022 at 09:05, WILF said:

Probably one and the same thing, I believe ancient Celtic languages (as do many languages) use the same word for different things.

So head & face would be exactly the same thing because it’s the same part of the body 

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Head and face are different words in Welsh. 

[Neal 1,888]

I'm only about 1/8 or 1/16 Welsh so I hardly know any at all. Then again, I know several Welsh people who can't speak a word of it. My sister's friend at school taught us how to say, "Good luck to the Welsh and arseholes to the English" but I've forgotten most of it...I can remember (and I'm spelling this phonetically for obvious reasons) yucky dar and bob sise. As I said, purely phonetic so probably spelled completely differently. 

[shaaark 10,993]

  On 26/04/2022 at 09:46, Neal said:

I'm only about 1/8 or 1/16 Welsh so I hardly know any at all. Then again, I know several Welsh people who can't speak a word of it. My sister's friend at school taught us how to say, "Good luck to the Welsh and arseholes to the English" but I've forgotten most of it...I can remember (and I'm spelling this phonetically for obvious reasons) yucky dar and bob sise. As I said, purely phonetic so probably spelled completely differently. 

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Ridiculous, overcomplicated language. 

[socks 32,253]

  On 26/04/2022 at 09:46, Neal said:

I'm only about 1/8 or 1/16 Welsh so I hardly know any at all. Then again, I know several Welsh people who can't speak a word of it. My sister's friend at school taught us how to say, "Good luck to the Welsh and arseholes to the English" but I've forgotten most of it...I can remember (and I'm spelling this phonetically for obvious reasons) yucky dar and bob sise. As I said, purely phonetic so probably spelled completely differently. 

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Twll din pob sais 

[Neal 1,888]

  On 26/04/2022 at 10:07, socks said:

Twll din pob sais 

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I want to say "thank you" but you could have written 'I bet you can't read this you eejit."

[sandymere 8,263]

  On 25/04/2022 at 09:28, chartpolski said:

I'd say most accents/dialects are a result of foreign influence, invasion, immigration, etc.

The "Geordie" language/accent is heavily influenced by the Scandinavian languages.

"Gannin oot", "gannin yem", "divint", etc are almost the same as in Scandinavian languages

All as a result of the Viking invasions.

Cheers. 

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Indeed, when we imported the Conejo from Spain we kept the Cony or perhaps from the French Conil.

As to accents, isolated populations evolve accents then dialectics then languages, pre media and travel pretty much every village would have had an accent, as the village grew so the accent, when two meet  the bigger slowly over generations take over the other.

Currently we are at a crossroads in regard to language with the accent coming to an end as we  all take on the accent of the media. The next stage will see us lose the smaller languages until we end up with one or two world languages.

[Neal 1,888]

  On 26/04/2022 at 10:35, sandymere said:

Indeed, when we imported the Conejo from Spain we kept the Cony or perhaps from the French Conil.

As to accents, isolated populations evolve accents then dialectics then languages, pre media and travel pretty much every village would have had an accent, as the village grew so the accent, when two meet  the bigger slowly over generations take over the other.

Currently we are at a crossroads in regard to language with the accent coming to an end as we  all take on the accent of the media. The next stage will see us lose the smaller languages until we end up with one or two world languages.

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I originally come from Gosport in Hampshire and always found it odd that the accents to the west and east of me sounded a lot more "yokel" for want of a better word. In comparison the accent I had growing up (very similar to the Portsmouth/Pompey accent) sounds almost cockney. I later discovered that this is because there was a huge migration of people from the East End of London to the Portsmouth area to work in the underwear industry. Apparently Pompey was huge in bras (slight pun intended) and Madonna used to buy her cone shaped outfits from a supplier in the city.

When I moved to Falmouth to study Fine Art I found that people couldn't understand my accent (I'm jist gain dane tane) and, as I was always good at mimicking voices and accents when I was younger, I found myself becoming less Pompey and more Cornish. We holiday in Devon regularly and I still find my accent becomes very West Country as the week progresses... moy luvver.

[WILF 48,305]

  On 26/04/2022 at 09:46, socks said:

Head and face are different words in Welsh. 

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There you go, a man who speaks the lingo.

Are there any words that have double meanings mate ?

[Aled 524]

Hey Neal this is a serious question you mentioned you were 1/16th Welsh and from Gosport, your Welsh ancestors didn't happen to run a servicemen's cafe during the war? 

Cheers

Aled

[sandymere 8,263]

  On 26/04/2022 at 11:03, Neal said:

I originally come from Gosport in Hampshire and always found it odd that the accents to the west and east of me sounded a lot more "yokel" for want of a better word. In comparison the accent I had growing up (very similar to the Portsmouth/Pompey accent) sounds almost cockney. I later discovered that this is because there was a huge migration of people from the East End of London to the Portsmouth area to work in the underwear industry. Apparently Pompey was huge in bras (slight pun intended) and Madonna used to buy her cone shaped outfits from a supplier in the city.

When I moved to Falmouth to study Fine Art I found that people couldn't understand my accent (I'm jist gain dane tane) and, as I was always good at mimicking voices and accents when I was younger, I found myself becoming less Pompey and more Cornish. We holiday in Devon regularly and I still find my accent becomes very West Country as the week progresses... moy luvver.

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Yes I've found the same, our accents do  evolve as we move, I was proper Luton as a lad but slowly became "middle England bland" as I moved around the south of the country as a teen and young adult but revert if spending time back in Luton. I can do a "where you too" or a "back along" whilst at home in Devon but would get some funny looks back up country.

[Neal 1,888]

  On 26/04/2022 at 13:23, Aled said:

Hey Neal this is a serious question you mentioned you were 1/16th Welsh and from Gosport, your Welsh ancestors didn't happen to run a servicemen's cafe during the war? 

Cheers

Aled

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Hi Aled, no, my Welsh blood comes from my maternal grandmother's dad. He and his father and grandfather (and maybe further back as well) were all lighthouse keepers. That's probably why I usually keep myself to myself and enjoy my own company.

[NEWKID 27,744]

  On 26/04/2022 at 13:30, sandymere said:

Yes I've found the same, our accents do  evolve as we move, I was proper Luton as a lad but slowly became "middle England bland" as I moved around the south of the country as a teen and young adult but revert if spending time back in Luton. I can do a "where you too" or a "back along" whilst at home in Devon but would get some funny looks back up country.

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Geddon

[jukel123 9,046]

The first thing I cotton on to when I meet somebody is their accent. I spent  my childhood and my youth in Salford,  and  the rest most of my life in  Southern Scotland. I am literally bilingual in both accents.

When I'm with Scottish mates I speak with their accent. When I'm at home with the Mrs, because she's English, I revert to English. Sometimes I literally have to translate for both parties when my Mrs is speaking to a scot.

I spend a lot of time fishing with Scots mates. When  I get home, I am thinking in scots. Sounds weird but you can think in a language. I can get  by in both French and Spanish and each requires a particular style of thinking.