Weird metal things and traps

[comanche 3,061]

I've just come out of my loft where l found things l had forgotten about.

Possibly this post should really span the fishing and general talk sections but l reckon the sort of folk attuned to identifying old traps might have an affinity with other bits of mystery metal work. 

There are some common enough traps  ; nothing exciting,  though l like the original pin on the gin.

Also some eel  forks; "Glivs" as they used to  call them down Arundel way.

But what are these?                          

I guess (and it is a guess) that the hoops slide up and down a pole or mast  . Each hoop has spurs and a flat  spring inside .

I reckon  by possibly tugging on ropes attached to either side of the device the spurs could be made to either bite into a wooden pole or come free by allowing the spring pressure to release them.

That may make no sense but l know what l mean. 

I'm leaning towards something from a flagpole , ship's  mast   or  a crude pulley but they don't  look strong enough for anything too heavy.         I did  consider some sort of climbing iron.   Maybe they link together?

Does anyone actually know?

PS.l rejected the idea of elephant  leg irons early on , but really, really wanted it to be true

 

Edited March 29, 2022 by comanche

[Daniel cain 46,072]

36 minutes ago, comanche said:

I've just come out of my loft where l found things l had forgotten about.

Possibly this post should really span the fishing and general talk sections but l reckon the sort of folk attuned to identifying old traps might have an affinity with other bits of mystery metal work. 

There are some common enough traps  ; nothing exciting,  though l like the original pin on the gin.

Also some eel  forks; "Glivs" as they used to  call them down Arundel way.

But what are these?                          

I guess (and it is a guess) that the hoops slide up and down a pole or mast  . Each hoop has spurs and a flat  spring inside .

I reckon  by possibly tugging on ropes attached to either side of the device the spurs could be made to either bite into a wooden pole or come free by allowing the spring pressure to release them.

That may make no sense but l know what l mean. 

I'm leaning towards something from a flagpole , ship's  mast   or  a crude pulley but they don't  look strong enough for anything too heavy.         I did  consider some sort of climbing iron.   Maybe they link together?

Does anyone actually know?

PS.l rejected the idea of elephant  leg irons early on , but really, really wanted it to be true

 

Some sort of climbing aid, telegraph poles etc maybe?...I got an old pair of climbing spikes for your boots ,they used to use for climbing poles

[comanche 3,061]

23 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Some sort of climbing aid, telegraph poles etc maybe?...I got an old pair of climbing spikes for your boots ,they used to use for climbing poles

That was one of my thoughts. They would have to be  threaded on the pole before it went into the ground though   . Either that or someone would have to climb the pole in the first place to slide the climbing aids down from the top. Which doesn't seem quite right

 

[Ken's Deputy 4,460]

What are they doing in your loft? How did they get there? That's a serious question.

They look more oblong than round. Brings Hames to mind. More suited to an animals neck than a pole. Those particular chains and hooks look the sort we find around old stables / cow sheds too. Not overly strong or heavy. Not so much machine stuff.

One thing's for certain; They're not mole traps. So, they'll be kind of wasted, down here. Chuck them up on General. Who knows who might see them and know something?

[DIDO.1 22,845]

Are the eel thingies for sale.....or one of them? 

[DIDO.1 22,845]

Perhaps the weird metal thing got placed in the wrong box when storing in your loft

[comanche 3,061]

7 hours ago, Ken's Deputy said:

What are they doing in your loft? How did they get there? That's a serious question.

They look more oblong than round. Brings Hames to mind. More suited to an animals neck than a pole. Those particular chains and hooks look the sort we find around old stables / cow sheds too. Not overly strong or heavy. Not so much machine stuff.

One thing's for certain; They're not mole traps. So, they'll be kind of wasted, down here. Chuck them up on General. Who knows who might see them and know something?

Hm, they are slightly oblong rather than round,    not big enough for hames.   Unless  they were from a goat  harness..   

Those studs sort of rule that out though.

[Ken's Deputy 4,460]

Goat? Funny. Moment I looked at them, I was reminded of the spiked calf muzzle things (Page 21 on here: https://pest-contol-papers.boards.net/thread/87/1959) But, that doesn't add up, does it?

If the spikes were meant to cause discomfort? They'd need the victim to push up, or down against the spring for that reward. But, I'd expect them to be more 'uncomfortable'

And, we can't seriously expect anyone to think putting a creatures head in one of those is going to stop it reaching its head up, for example to suckle. There's got to be easier ways.

For an inanimate thing, like a log? Why the spring? Put a log on the spikes? It'll stay there. Spring'll make no difference to a log, except keeping it Off the spikes. Then why have spikes in the first place?

It's weird, because their strength seems to be in Lifting. That big ring, at the top? But, if ye put a log in there, to drag it along? Spring would be wanted to hold it down against the spikes.

Spring holds shit off the spikes. Unless something alive tried to push up / down against the spikes. Or something living pulls the spikes ~ against the resistance of the spring ~ against something.

Side chains remind me of old time cow stall chains. One either side. Fitted to the walls. Cow could move its head up and down. Couldn't go anywhere. But, they were used with a collar. Nothing as elaborate as that.

The two anchor points, top hole and shackle thing, behind the spring, suggest taking a strain. Pulling. But, what?

Nope. I am completely and utterly fukked! I can't even begin to fathom it.

How did they get there? If you put them there? Where'd you get them? If they were always there? What did who lived there before do?

Why are there two of them? One for either end? Or one each, maybe for two or more?

Where's Ketch? He works with cows. What about Sid? He deals in nick nacks.

Like I say; Get it up on General. It's fukk all to do with trapping or pest control. Throw it open. Never know who might just happen to know something. Fukking buried, down here.

 

 

[comanche 3,061]

On 30/03/2022 at 23:24, Ken's Deputy said:

Goat? Funny. Moment I looked at them, I was reminded of the spiked calf muzzle things (Page 21 on here: https://pest-contol-papers.boards.net/thread/87/1959) But, that doesn't add up, does it?

If the spikes were meant to cause discomfort? They'd need the victim to push up, or down against the spring for that reward. But, I'd expect them to be more 'uncomfortable'

And, we can't seriously expect anyone to think putting a creatures head in one of those is going to stop it reaching its head up, for example to suckle. There's got to be easier ways.

For an inanimate thing, like a log? Why the spring? Put a log on the spikes? It'll stay there. Spring'll make no difference to a log, except keeping it Off the spikes. Then why have spikes in the first place?

It's weird, because their strength seems to be in Lifting. That big ring, at the top? But, if ye put a log in there, to drag it along? Spring would be wanted to hold it down against the spikes.

Spring holds shit off the spikes. Unless something alive tried to push up / down against the spikes. Or something living pulls the spikes ~ against the resistance of the spring ~ against something.

Side chains remind me of old time cow stall chains. One either side. Fitted to the walls. Cow could move its head up and down. Couldn't go anywhere. But, they were used with a collar. Nothing as elaborate as that.

The two anchor points, top hole and shackle thing, behind the spring, suggest taking a strain. Pulling. But, what?

Nope. I am completely and utterly fukked! I can't even begin to fathom it.

How did they get there? If you put them there? Where'd you get them? If they were always there? What did who lived there before do?

Why are there two of them? One for either end? Or one each, maybe for two or more?

Where's Ketch? He works with cows. What about Sid? He deals in nick nacks.

Like I say; Get it up on General. It's fukk all to do with trapping or pest control. Throw it open. Never know who might just happen to know something. Fukking buried, down here.

 

 

I remember seeing them at a boot sale and thinking they were so weird and cheap l'd regret walking past.  Asked a few people for opinions but everyone was stumped.  So they ended up in the loft.

What we need is the ghost of Jack Hargreaves  . Remember that bit of his programme where  he'd produce a strange thing and ask " Now, cough,l wonder if anyone can tell me what this is?  Cough, cough."

[Ken's Deputy 4,460]

" Cheerio. " Thank Fukk we lived when we did!!!

 

Car boot?! Oh, well that Truly fukks it, doesn't it? Absolutely zero on the provenance now. Could as well have come over from France!

Sorry, mate. I've given it the best I could, look. Getting anyone to chat, on here, is like pulling teeth, these days.

This minute, I'm genuinely up to my neck in Trail Cam stuff. Came in here as a vid's uploading. Haven't had a lot of free thought time to ponder ye scrap metal since.

Ye know me though. Not given to giving up That easily. If I can somehow manage to nick the images to my phone? I'll show them around, as best I can, to some farmery types. In real life, that'll be. So, not over night.

[jok 3,322]

One on my hearth. Jok.

[mackem 27,369]

I went to an auction of old traps years ago, OTC was there, didn't see anything I fancied so didn't bid on anything, some old gent has passed on and his lifetime collection of "interesting things" was dispersed to the winds. 

[comanche 3,061]

12 hours ago, mackem said:

I went to an auction of old traps years ago, OTC was there, didn't see anything I fancied so didn't bid on anything, some old gent has passed on and his lifetime collection of "interesting things" was dispersed to the winds. 

 Those decoy fish have $$$$ signs all over them!