Wales to bann all countrysports by 2024

[DIDO.1 22,851]

I've put off commenting on these types of thread for a long time as my entire life has been involved with the thankless task of trying to defend Country sports and arguing with people on here just wasn't worth my effort. 

The long and short of it is almost every single country sport participant has let us, our way of life and our kids inheritance down through lazyness and lack of action. 

The countryside has changed and what we do have needed to do and will continue to need to do is present ourselves in more acceptable ways. Every single one of us must make sure that we and our activities are of the highest order and practised and promoted in the best possible way. All I constantly hear is blame. "it's the toffs who have let the ordinary dog men down" "it's the lurcher men" "it's the organisations that won't do enough" 

.....NO, it's us, everyone of us that have allowed a bunch of amateur keyboard extremists to fit us up like kippers. They have done us good and proper because we couldn't be arsed. For 30 years the organisations have asked for help and volunteers....unfortunately most thought turning up at a few marches was enough. Organisation after organisation have given up because nobody would help. If we had just 100 active campaigners we could turn around fieldsports fortunes in no time. 

The countryside is getting smaller but I genuinely believe we could get the public on our side if we actually got motivated. This is the public that accepts anyone and anything and has proved it can be convinced about anything, recent history has proved that. Spain has got protection for bullfighting because they acted, United and spoke up! France has cockfighting rings and badger digging clubs because they unite and put on a professional front. I visit upto 12 customers day and I try to speak to as many as possible about fieldsports, honestly, I'm constantly bring it up....and the majority are interested and not anti. 

I genuinely believe we have to drop the pest control bollocks, the public are not that stupid. We hunt because it's natural and part of who we are, we must also show that it has all sorts of benifits. But never lie about why you do it. 

If you want to run lurchers at hares then we must prove that the finances and management produced benifits that can't come from any other sources, that coursing clubs have more hares and other wildlife than non managed areas. I know many want to get on and do their own thing but the days of that are long gone. I can walk over thousands of acres with a gun, bird of prey or terrier but I couldn't with a lurcher, not because of toffs, organisations not doing enough or selfish landowners.....but because of decades of lurcher men conducting themselves in absolute shite order. 

I actually think we could still win the battle and protect countrysports, bring back much of what we have lost. But it would need every single one of us to organise and act together in a united way. Having recently visited a big commercial shoot that needlessly averages a fox with night vision every 3 days, leaving almost a quarter of a county barren of quarry for anybody else, where I found piles of pheasant carcasses (maybe breasted but still on show), 2 dead buzzards (probably natural deaths but still easily found) I really now think we are all participating in a race to the end. I'm sorry but 'pest control innit' just won't cut it

 

[WILF 48,135]

49 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

I've put off commenting on these types of thread for a long time as my entire life has been involved with the thankless task of trying to defend Country sports and arguing with people on here just wasn't worth my effort. 

The long and short of it is almost every single country sport participant has let us, our way of life and our kids inheritance down through lazyness and lack of action. 
 

Let me start by saying good post with excellent points mate
 

Right, re above: That isn’t the story of country sports, it’s the story of Britain and country sports happens to be a victim of this disease.

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The countryside has changed and what we do have needed to do and will continue to need to do is present ourselves in more acceptable ways. Every single one of us must make sure that we and our activities are of the highest order and practised and promoted in the best possible way. All I constantly hear is blame. "it's the toffs who have let the ordinary dog men down" "it's the lurcher men" "it's the organisations that won't do enough" 

I disagree mate, while I understand your logic, I don’t think it matters what you do “Killing a wild animal with a dog” (or gun or trap) isn’t going to fly in a world where “hurty words” are an actual thing ! 
We may as well be warts and all because trying to be goody two shoes is a complete waste of time as well.

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.....NO, it's us, everyone of us that have allowed a bunch of amateur keyboard extremists to fit us up like kippers. They have done us good and proper because we couldn't be arsed. For 30 years the organisations have asked for help and volunteers....unfortunately most thought turning up at a few marches was enough. Organisation after organisation have given up because nobody would help. If we had just 100 active campaigners we could turn around fieldsports fortunes in no time. 
 

Again, I disagree, I think we have written off anti’s as “amateur greaseballs” at our peril.

These people are a million miles from amateurs, they are well funded, well organised, pro active, intelligent in spreading their message….they have not given one inch of ground in this fight……country sports organisations have done none of those things!…..in fact quiet the opposite.

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The countryside is getting smaller but I genuinely believe we could get the public on our side if we actually got motivated. This is the public that accepts anyone and anything and has proved it can be convinced about anything, recent history has proved that. Spain has got protection for bullfighting because they acted, United and spoke up! France has cockfighting rings and badger digging clubs because they unite and put on a professional front. I visit upto 12 customers day and I try to speak to as many as possible about fieldsports, honestly, I'm constantly bring it up....and the majority are interested and not anti. 
 

You also don’t get dirty looks for smoking a cigarette in France…..if you want to understand the fundamental difference, there it is mate  

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I genuinely believe we have to drop the pest control bollocks, the public are not that stupid. We hunt because it's natural and part of who we are, we must also show that it has all sorts of benifits. But never lie about why you do it. 
 

100% agree

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If you want to run lurchers at hares then we must prove that the finances and management produced benifits that can't come from any other sources, that coursing clubs have more hares and other wildlife than non managed areas. I know many want to get on and do their own thing but the days of that are long gone. I can walk over thousands of acres with a gun, bird of prey or terrier but I couldn't with a lurcher, not because of toffs, organisations not doing enough or selfish landowners.....but because of decades of lurcher men conducting themselves in absolute shite order. 
 

As I said above, warts and all imho mate

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I actually think we could still win the battle and protect countrysports, bring back much of what we have lost. But it would need every single one of us to organise and act together in a united way. Having recently visited a big commercial shoot that needlessly averages a fox with night vision every 3 days, leaving almost a quarter of a county barren of quarry for anybody else, where I found piles of pheasant carcasses (maybe breasted but still on show), 2 dead buzzards (probably natural deaths but still easily found) I really now think we are all participating in a race to the end. I'm sorry but 'pest control innit' just won't cut it

 

I agree, but in a country that is happy to continue to re-elect those who would facilitate the rape of our children what hope of a unified group standing up For themselves ? 

[DIDO.1 22,851]

I don't know how to do the multi quote thing and with respect I don't have the energy to get into deeper discussions anyway with something that has exhausted me over 20 plus years. 

I do think people would accept hunting, as said I discuss it constantly with people. The majority don't care, some are interested, only a few are illogical. Unfortunately we have allowed the illogical to have the loudest voice unopposed and the media and polititions have just run with that. 

I don't think antis are all amateur, but most genuinely are, the most active are simply keyboard warriors. The professionals, are either extreme animal rights activists or hypocrites like numerous members of lacs who we can actually take to pieces with an intelligent plan. At one point we practically destroyed lacs both in the field and in court. 

If just the members of this forum all went to see their mps this month and all wrote to newspapers and shared a few Facebook posts we would genuinely do more than our entire community has done in the last 5 years. But as you say, as a nation we are financing our countries destruction so unfortunately I don't think we can expect any grand united effort from anyone on anything 

[DIDO.1 22,851]

There are just 3 packs of staghounds in this country, even they can't agree to get on and unite

[WILF 48,135]

5 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

I don't know how to do the multi quote thing and with respect I don't have the energy to get into deeper discussions anyway with something that has exhausted me over 20 plus years. 

I do think people would accept hunting, as said I discuss it constantly with people. The majority don't care, some are interested, only a few are illogical. Unfortunately we have allowed the illogical to have the loudest voice unopposed and the media and polititions have just run with that. 

I don't think antis are all amateur, but most genuinely are, the most active are simply keyboard warriors. The professionals, are either extreme animal rights activists or hypocrites like numerous members of lacs who we can actually take to pieces with an intelligent plan. At one point we practically destroyed lacs both in the field and in court. 

If just the members of this forum all went to see their mps this month and all wrote to newspapers and shared a few Facebook posts we would genuinely do more than our entire community has done in the last 5 years. But as you say, as a nation we are financing our countries destruction so unfortunately I don't think we can expect any grand united effort from anyone on anything 

Mate, every single thing you say makes perfect sense.

However, you know and I know and everyone knows….that’s not how the British people are any more.

In layman’s terms, we are a f***ing joke.

I always bring the “fighting for country sports” argument back down to one simple question : When did you last see a campaign by a country sports organisation in mainstream Media ?

An add on the telly ?, A full page in a national newspaper ? Social Media ?

Ill tell you when, never !……too busy preaching to the already converted in order to extract that years membership fees out of them to piss away in f**k knows what.

Shame mate, crying f***ing shame

[New moon 250]

Theres a full-blown war on the white natives of this country, turn that around and the rests a breeze.

[New moon 250]

In Britain today women and faggots rule, ring ya mate up and ask him if he fancies a pint down the pub, '' let me just ask our lass'' offer him a pup '' let me just ask our lass'' not the men i remember as a kid growing up with, now the man just goes to work and does the decorating, not the sort thats going to stand up for anything.

[DIDO.1 22,851]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

Mate, every single thing you say makes perfect sense.

However, you know and I know and everyone knows….that’s not how the British people are any more.

In layman’s terms, we are a f***ing joke.

I always bring the “fighting for country sports” argument back down to one simple question : When did you last see a campaign by a country sports organisation in mainstream Media ?

An add on the telly ?, A full page in a national newspaper ? Social Media ?

Ill tell you when, never !……too busy preaching to the already converted in order to extract that years membership fees out of them to piss away in f**k knows what.

Shame mate, crying f***ing shame

Totally agree and I've had that conversation for years with them. But I can honestly say that without the ca there would be no packs of hounds in the UK at all and the attention would all now be on shooting and that would collapse quicker than hunting has given the same pressure. I would always answer any criticism of the organisations with the counter claim of when did you volunteer at any event to promote fieldsports, go speak to mps or write to the media. 

I agree but the battle is being lost due to 99.9% of fieldsports participants doing nothing g not because 0.1 did the wrong thing. 

[New moon 250]

The thing is the running dog game gets chucked under the bus every time, this jail for hare coursing law that just gone through as had support from the ca type groups , i like to see dog work of all kinds but some are well backed up, like the mounted packs and others not, i cant respect that.

[Gypsydog94 4,627]

Just now, New moon said:

The thing is the running dog game gets chucked under the bus every time, this jail for hare coursing law that just gone through as had support from the ca type groups , i like to see dog work of all kinds but some are well backed up, like the mounted packs and others not, i cant respect that.

How many times have you and your mates spoken to your mp’s to oppose the bill?

[New moon 250]

10 minutes ago, Gypsydog94 said:

How many times have you and your mates spoken to your mp’s to oppose the bill?

0, ive no faith in them or that way of thinking, imo the battle we face is not about cruelty its more about culture, that is a whole different ball game.

 

[Gypsydog94 4,627]

14 minutes ago, New moon said:

0, ive no faith in them or that way of thinking, imo the battle we face is not about cruelty its more about culture, that is a whole different ball game.

 

This is the problem with working lurcher owners none seem to be worried and think there going to carry on regardless. When there dishing out 5 years for a hare people will soon change that mindset but will be to late. 

[DIDO.1 22,851]

37 minutes ago, New moon said:

The thing is the running dog game gets chucked under the bus every time, this jail for hare coursing law that just gone through as had support from the ca type groups , i like to see dog work of all kinds but some are well backed up, like the mounted packs and others not, i cant respect that.

I agree in principle....but farmers and landowners are asking for help with lurcher men and illegal hare coursers. Mounted packs are backed up because they are the ones financeing the defence. I was recently invited to a big day's coursing, run under rules on a private estate. They had guns out, they had permission and had contacted local authorities. Obviously they believed what they were doing had a defence in court. That's different from what other groups are doing which means I could walk over 20,000 acres with a gun but not a lurcher.... 'ordinary dog men' have fcked it with your average farmer because of their conduct. Want the ca to back you with your lurcher? Want better representation for lurcher? Well volenteer to go stand on the ca stall at an event.....they have been crying out for help for decades. 

[DIDO.1 22,851]

22 minutes ago, New moon said:

0, ive no faith in them or that way of thinking, imo the battle we face is not about cruelty its more about culture, that is a whole different ball game.

 

Well start fighting for culture then!!! But do something! 

[DIDO.1 22,851]

27 minutes ago, New moon said:

0, ive no faith in them or that way of thinking, imo the battle we face is not about cruelty its more about culture, that is a whole different ball game.

 

I think any defence of fieldsports will come from demanding protection of our rights to express our culture. It was tried when the ban first came in but in my opinion it was poorly done. 

But to put forward as defence we must have our house in order. We cannot claim a free for all as something worth protecting. Fieldsports presented as a well run thing, done according to rules and regulations with clear organisation and professional standards is something we can put forward to defend. 

Shit standards, whether from a group of nob heads with lurchers or our leading mounted foxhounds just cannot be defended. What we are regularly seeing, from hunts to shoots to gangs with bull x's is a race to the end. And I write that as someone who has been involved and loved it all.