A question for you running dog lads

[Kane 2]

I read some where Fallow are the fastest wild mammal in Britain.I would rather a dog of mine caught a roe anyday so much easier to deal with allround.

There are a lot of people killing roe in the south smaller fields and more woodland equals more roe.

[Guest chilli]

  PETER THE BEATER said:

90% of the roe i run do die pretty easy but it is that 10% that don't that keeps me at it. To see a good roe on a seed with a good fast dog on its tail both flat out and at full stretch is what its all about for me. I ran a doe yesterday ( I mean pre ban  :11:  ) She took the dog all over a wheat field out to the middle and back through a hedge and into the wood the race lasted a good minute and a half. Now thats what i race them for not the dozens that are killed easy but the odd one that pulls your dogs balls out.

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did you get it ?

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  Loki said:

: . i do believe that sum of the fastest hares in the country are on salisbury plains.

To right been all over, fens est. and never ran any as hard.

[Guest chilli]

  Millet said:

(Loki)

Roe Deer for me are faster than hare's..and im sure there was a thread up a wile back with someone proving it.?.

Hare's can turn on a six pence they can turn and run the opposite way without slowing down...can a roe..?

They can also run a hell of a lot longer at speed than a roe.

Ive had a lot of hare's with my dog's both day and night doubled and single handed..so they are well capable of speed..

Ive seen roe panick and hit hedge's and run in circles in field's..

Ive them leave the dog's well behind...not just my dog's other very quick dog's that have had both hare and roe..

I have only ever seen a hare leave a fresh dog on several occasion's out of hundred's coarsed..

So to me in my experience's the fastest roe ive seen is faster than the fastest hare.

Here's a pic of the 2 dog's i have at the moment

The fawn one is a deerhoundxgrey xcattledogxgrey basicly a lurcher x saluki/grey ..the brindle is a saluki/grey X bull/grey..

Fawn 25in brindle 26in ...do you think they look slow and clumsy ie not very good..?

p.s sorry about the bad art job.. .

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you saved our eyes

[Tarmac 1]

"LOKI" ......

I'd like to comment on you saying the roe's down south are faster then up north, every has there own opionion, but mine being that i totally disagree, from what i've seen, and been told from lads that run these on a daily basis up and down the country, The northern deer shift one hell of alot compared to down counrty.. as i say, everyone has there own thoughts... i also agree with the rest of the lads, a roe is faster flat out than a hare, what makes people think hares are quicker is there turning ability, on which they can keep there pace going... and yes many deer do worry, and casue themselves problems, but a fast dog will get up to a hare quicker at yards then it will a roe .... :whistle: :kiss:

 

Smart dogs millet.. especially the brindle.

 

Mine, saluki grey, and bit of lurcher along the line in the past... brother to darcy's scooby and charva.

 

 

 

[J Darcy 5,871]

sounds like you havent run the right daytime roe mate.....

last season i saw scoob struggle to come to terms with a roe doe, i mean this deer was flying...she had seen a dog before and knew the craic...Loki, these deer get hammered, and i mean hammered as there are very few in my area. those that are left at the end of the season are either lucky or very good atheletes. I have travelled extensively down south mate and seen how much deer there is down there, so i dont think you can compare the two places.....imagine having to spend all day looking for a run? it happens up here, down south theres deer in every wood! just an opinion from someone that has run both places....good hunting......JD

[Guest nastybilly]

to me hares and roe all over britain can reach the same speeds imo , after all there the same animal, so if anybody can tell me why they think hares in differant regions are faster than others then im willing to listen...to me the make up of the ground they run over is the only thing that can have anything to do with it...

[Guest diesel]

loki thats a fair statement to say that your dog can catch regularly 9 out of 10..... have you got any picture of this dog and deer maybe????????

 

 

diesel

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:11: :11: As someone once said 'Opinions are like arseholes everyones got one'

 

Good thread, i dont think the north south thing holds water at all, it the volume of game available to run weather yer north or south it dont matter.

 

Oh and I think a hare is faster than a roe :11: :11: But to catch its different

[shaun v 3]

trying to compare a hare n deer is ludicrous the same as trying to compare different plaes in the country where they live, the deer ive take which isnt many as it dosent rock my boat, where taken in hedge rows where they where stuck or trapped,

but i did run a roe down a lane near catterick, i was driving a pickup and it got over 40mph.

but i would put an hare well above any deer just for its ability to think on its feet not for the hares speed,

the only time speed comes into the aquation is when the grounds [bANNED TEXT], you take the last couple of years when its been pretty dry the speedie types have found it easier skipping over the ground, but this year will be different with the amount of rain forcasted these types will burn out alot quicker and struggle esp when trying to cross a heavy seed .

peter i know youve taking a few of the big fellars before the ban :11: the same as you mr darcy

but do your dogs run better on softish or heavy ground when running them on a seed, and dose it effect the running of the deer and finally do you get different species of deer favouring heavier ground

[Tarmac 1]

get some picture's up of your dog, and its 9 out of 10 roe, and you've just sorted out little debate, you come and kill 9 out of 10 roe deer up here, we'll see what happens...

I hope your not thinking i'm saying a hare is easier to kill than a roe, as the hare is a very hard game for our running machines to catch.

Also i never said the hares up here are faster :11: as i'm guessing the hares down south will no the score

 

All the best...

[LDR 29]

  nastybilly said:

to me hares and roe all over britain can reach the same speeds imo , after all there the same animal, so if anybody can tell me why they think hares in differant regions are faster than others then im willing to listen...to me the make up of the ground they run over is the only thing that can have anything to do with it...

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I dont particularly believe that southern deers and northern deers are faster or slower than the others, but i do think that the way they run and the numbers to be found will differ. As i said before there is nowhere near the same numbers of people out down south, dont get offended, i aint saying that makes the south any less knowledgeable about dogs, it just means that that could be the reason why as JD says there are deer in every wood, believe me there is, and as also previously written you'll walk all day here and still might not see owt........

[lucky 578]

i have never done much hare coursing as i prefer a fox to anything, but the lad i do most of my hunting with as an exellent saluki/greyhound bitch that will have killed hundreds of hares in her life, as he runs her regular during the winter, she's 7 now but when she was in her prime she was killing 2/3 hares most mornings out with the most being 6 in a morning, now when we take this bitch for a day on the deer the total is very different and she only gets about 1 in every 5 she runs, i remember a couple of year ago when we were coursing every saturday morning around hornsea there were always a group of 5 roe on the land so my mate used to keep his bitch on the lead and not run any hares until he had a run on them then run the hares after, this went on all season and at the end of the season there were still 4 of them left but he must have killed at least 50 hares with the bitch as she would still manage to catch 2 or 3 hares after the long hard run on the roe (this was very big land with no hedges only dykes) the only way to escape this bitch was to outrun her and the deer did very regular but not many hares managed to do this.

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Is that why so many folk lamp them up there, cos there too challenging daytime (thats not ment to be offensiv, just wondered) ?? IMO lamping deer is poor sport

 

Interesting stuff

[Guest trev]

Some intresting reading lads.

My own theroy on it is, its not comparable for alot of differnt reasons, to try and go through them all would take me a lifetime but i will try and make a few points on why i think they cant be compared.

Some good deer dogs will not make good hare dogs and some good hare dogs will not make good deer dogs and thats just plain and simple.

Alot will depend on how many people are running either species in certain areas, ive seen bad dogs look good behind green deer and hares on places that arent run much and ive seen good hare and deer dogs look bad on places that are run regular.

the lay of the land will determin alot to when in pursuit of either species, were i run my hares there are no deer, the land is usually fairly open and level so the land certainly favours the dog and hare, but were i run the majority of my deer is upland and it suits the deer more than the dog, however the deer cant get upto full speed on the majority of it so being realistic it evens the chances of deer and dog.

There are hares however were i run the deer and they would be impossible to run with a dog.

 

If i had a season on deer only and had a season on hares only i would definatly have a bigger bag of deer then i would hares, i beleive the hares are a harder caught quarry because of the favourable ground, they can get to full flight were i hunt were the deer cant, i also have no roe deer to run and the majority of deer i get are sika so i cant really comment on that, i do however agree to a certain point with reload, he says that lamping deer is poor sport, i would agree to a certain extent, i would say they are easier to catch rather than poor sport because they are hard caught on the land i run at any time of the day, but they are definatly a completly differnt animal in the day and are better sport.

Id also say that lowland deer are alot harder caught then highland deer, either way i love to run both and find both a test in themselves, completly differnt animals.

Ive also found with dogs over the years that ive had, they get the knack of deer fairly easy but they never seem to get the knack of hares, on the hares they get a technuiqe but never the knack, i have found that with my dogs when run regular on hares they actually try and kill them as quick as they can, were with a deer once they get on terms with them they know they have them in the bag, i beleive the dogs arent thick and know that its harder to kill a hare then it is a deer.

 

Just my tuppence worth.