WILF 46,605 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, mushroom said: If I rewrote Harry Potter in Spanish, left half the story out and then got a random French bloke to translate into Latin and then a Greek to put it back to English, would it be worth reading in comparison to the original? That’s exactly what these men did and more importantly, they had something very real to gain from putting what served the narrative and kept control of the masses. I don’t disagree with that point at all, but as I say, I think what you say gets used to rubbish having a faith and I believe having a faith is a different thing 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,870 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, WILF said: Men seeing an opportunity and hijacking something good and reworking it to suit themselves is hardly surprising is it mate, it’s don’t mean the thing they hijacked is false or irrelevant imho. This is always the confusion between faith and organised religion, one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other imho. Faith in a book constructed by organised religion, made so they can profit from it and to serve organised religion All Christian faith is based upon the council of Nicaeas Bible mate. Hence it’s faith based bollocks. Organised religion was founded to perpetuate that bollocks. Circles ️ Do I hold Christian values? Yep! Do I believe in God? No! When people profess their faith based upon a book that isn’t even a full version… 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 23,133 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Francie said: I thinks it's the UAE charts No, my daughter in law and grandson live in Saudi Arabia, and I can guarantee there is no synagogues, temples or churches there, only mosques ! As far as I'm aware, it's the same in the UAE, but I could be mistaken Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,870 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, Francie said: If men changed things to suit there agenda doesn't take away the fact that it was still wrote down mush. And what if the parts missing said “The following events are fictional, any relation to real or actual persons or events past or present is purely coincidental” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,870 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Francie said: So are you saying mush that something cannot be translated from one language to another? Never perfectly hence why most of the world hold French as the perfect legalese. Because it is so precise. but what we are discussing here is not just about translation besides the fact that most of the languages were dead by the time Constantine and the Bishops got together. You have to understand that it was translated from completely non related languages. It’s almost impossible to be accurate. For example.. ‘Tengo ambre’ means I am hungry. The literal translation would be ‘I have hunger’. Now I know what it means so I can use my judgment to translate it to English. When you have thousands of documents/pages the translation creep kicks in. Which means it’s no longer a pure translation but my interpretation of what was. And that’s just between one language mate. Edited April 11, 2022 by mushroom 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, mushroom said: Faith in a book constructed by organised religion, made so they can profit from it and to serve organised religion All Christian faith is based upon the council of Nicaeas Bible mate. Hence it’s faith based bollocks. Organised religion was founded to perpetuate that bollocks. Circles ️ Do I hold Christian values? Yep! Do I believe in God? No! When people profess their faith based upon a book that isn’t even a full version… My personal opinion is that the bible is the clearest map of humanity there has ever been, it’s an undeniable fact that if the world lived by it the world would be a much better place….. Imho “God” is a word that is used to give form to something the human mind couldn’t otherwise comprehend….it’s just too massive. Do I believe in “God” ?……well I see “God” (whatever “God” is) everywhere…….it’s right in front of our face. That is completely separate from the “Idiots guide how to live” that is better known as The Bible. The bible (imho) simply says “You have been given something wonderful by a power way beyond us, here is how not to f**k it all up…..The End !” It would have saved a shit load of paper if they got me to translate ! Lol Edited April 11, 2022 by WILF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, chartpolski said: No, my daughter in law and grandson live in Saudi Arabia, and I can guarantee there is no synagogues, temples or churches there, only mosques ! As far as I'm aware, it's the same in the UAE, but I could be mistaken Cheers. The Abrahamic house, UAE unveils details of the three-faith temple construction - UOJ - the Union of Orthodox Journalists SPZH.NEWS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,870 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, Francie said: But can you prove that mush,im sure they could be put side by side an checked,an I think it has already,if they weren't included then they must not of thought that it was inspired by God. How many Christian factions are on the planet today? Most have their own version of the Bible 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,870 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, WILF said: I don’t disagree with that point at all, but as I say, I think what you say gets used to rubbish having a faith and I believe having a faith is a different thing Tbf I can be a bit blunt on this topic. Past trauma of being indoctrinated True story, when I first moved here and I was with the Mexican girl, I didn’t speak a word of Spanish. Walked into the cathedral during mass and suddenly knew everything being said like a bloody native. Edited April 11, 2022 by mushroom 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,870 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, WILF said: My personal opinion is that the bible is the clearest map of humanity there has ever been, it’s an undeniable fact that if the world lived by it the world would be a much better place….. Imho “God” is a word that is used to give form to something the human mind couldn’t otherwise comprehend….it’s just too massive. Do I believe in “God” ?……well I see “God” (whatever “God” is) everywhere…….it’s right in front of our face. That is completely separate from the “Idiots guide how to live” that is better known as The Bible. The bible (imho) simply says “You have been given something wonderful by a power way beyond us, here is how not to f**k it all up…..The End !” It would have saved a shit load of paper if they got me to translate ! Lol Light on… the end Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 Just now, mushroom said: How many Christian factions are on the planet today? Most have their own version of the Bible I don't know mush,an if they do that doesn't take away from scripture,an I get whst your saying about what scripture was chosen to go in it,nevertheless that doesn't make the scripture false. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 23,133 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Francie said: The Abrahamic house, UAE unveils details of the three-faith temple construction - UOJ - the Union of Orthodox Journalists SPZH.NEWS Very interesting, next time I'm there I'll make a point in visiting it. But the UAE is a completely different country to Saudi Arabia. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,870 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Francie said: I don't know mush,an if they do that doesn't take away from scripture,an I get whst your saying about what scripture was chosen to go in it,nevertheless that doesn't make the scripture false. Tell that to Wilfs taxman 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 Just now, mushroom said: Tbf I can be a bit blunt on this topic. Past trauma of being indoctrinated True story, when I first moved here and I was with the Mexican girl, I didn’t speak a word of Spanish. Walked into the cathedral during mass and suddenly knew everything being said like a bloody native. And mate, having been through a time when I could and did say “how can there be a god” I totally sympathise with anyone who rejects the idea based on their own personal trauma. I have very little time for organised religion, for the most part I find it disgusting in its heartlessness and hypocrisy……but I have a faith. I give myself over to knowing it will always be too massive for me to grasp but hey, maybe that’s the nature of faith ? Im not trying to prove my “point” ( I don’t have one! Lol ) but I just find the conversation interesting 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 minute ago, chartpolski said: Very interesting, next time I'm there I'll make a point in visiting it. But the UAE is a completely different country to Saudi Arabia. Cheers. Yep,it's to be completed this year charts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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