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I think it depends on your understanding of the word "conspiracy". If you take it literally, as "more than one person conspiring to commit a crime",then I'd say the JFK assassination was definite

Because throughout history a small % of the population have controlled the rest through lies, miss information, propaganda, bribery and bullying.

And mate, having been through a time when I could and did say “how can there be a god” I totally sympathise with anyone who rejects the idea based on their own personal trauma. I have very little

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6 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

Religion is the biggest conspiracy since the advance of man.

I remember the miners strike mate and at the time (because the only information was the paper and the news) I bought hook, line and sinker into the “Hard working Thatchers children fighting the forces of communism and unions holding us back” narrative…….years later, and with access to more information, watching what has happens to my country I realise we should have supported them blokes because what they were fighting for meant so much more than just coal ! 
 

“Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”

We only have to look out the window to see none of these people we put our faith in, none of the “lesser of two evils” have ever had our best interests at heart……that’s not a conspiracy, the proof is there for all to see.

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3 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

How its been used to control people with no visible proof that God exists.

Don’t want to turn this into a religion debate but my opinion is that religion is something essentially good once again stolen by factions of men to form clubs so they can make money and have power.

Theres no faith in a church, it’s just a building built using poor peoples money extorted out of them ! 

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1 minute ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Here's a question....how many Jews did Hitler himself personally kill?

Probably none.

True, but as leader he has to take responsibility so the terminology isn’t strictly correct but the result is the same mate.

If you plow into a bus stop full of people in your car and kill them all, strictly speaking the car killed them but it’s your fault because you were in charge.

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37 minutes ago, WILF said:

Exactly that mate, we shouldn’t simply say “Hitler killed 6 million Jews, evil man”…….it’s incumbent on us as grown ups to say “Well hold on, how does it get to that and what should we do different so that it can’t happen ?” 
 

In a world where we have access to more information than at any time in history we should be doing better but it’s genuinely seems like we can’t be bothered most of the time or don’t have the time to be bothered…..it’s a stain on our character !

When another 14 year old gets stabbed to death in one of our city’s we all go “Oh, that’s terrible…..better cut the lawn !”

Not f***ing good enough mate imho……we have to say “Nah, we got to try and stop that, how can we do it?” 
 

It’s not a conspiracy when you see the terrible every day played out round the world by so called sane people to question if they have an ulterior motive……it’s a crime if we don’t question that ! 

If its not in us to question then why is the white man not still living in mud n stick huts? Look at the chinese and what theyve built, egyptians, greeks, japanese etc etc all adcanced nations because they questioned their existance and looked fir ways to make it better and easier, now all races have their hard wired lazy b*****ds but equally the lazy b*****ds trait is a very inventive one as they look for better solutions to make it even easier there in fact questioning how to improve some design or task

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1 minute ago, Lenmcharristar said:

If its not in us to question then why is the white man not still living in mud n stick huts? Look at the chinese and what theyve built, egyptians, greeks, japanese etc etc all adcanced nations because they questioned their existance and looked fir ways to make it better and easier, now all races have their hard wired lazy b*****ds but equally the lazy b*****ds trait is a very inventive one as they look for better solutions to make it even easier there in fact questioning how to improve some design or task

Mate these conversations can be a Pandora’s box but I think we have to bring it back to something more simple, and to me that is “Do we think everything happening in the world, nation, city, town or village is just a complete accident?” 
 

Because if it is, then why are we bothering to read manifestos or elect people based on what we think they can or will do if it’s all just out of their hands ?

And if it’s not out of their hands then it’s completely deliberate and part of a plan.

People can’t have it both ways imho.

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5 minutes ago, WILF said:

True, but as leader he has to take responsibility so the terminology isn’t strictly correct but the result is the same mate.

If you plow into a bus stop full of people in your car and kill them all, strictly speaking the car killed them but it’s your fault because you were in charge.

That illustration could work if the bus also had 'freewill' but it doesn't, it is a machine and designed to be controlled by a human.

All humans have freewill which cannot be controlled by another human unless they let themselves be controlled. Leaders today take no responsibility these days, they just cry 'democracy it's the will of the people!'lol

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2 minutes ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

That illustration could work if the bus also had 'freewill' but it doesn't, it is a machine and designed to be controlled by a human.

All humans have freewill which cannot be controlled by another human unless they let themselves be controlled. Leaders today take no responsibility these days, they just cry 'democracy it's the will of the people!'lol

If we mandate it then it’s our fault, simple as that imho mate 

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57 minutes ago, WILF said:

I remember the miners strike mate and at the time (because the only information was the paper and the news) I bought hook, line and sinker into the “Hard working Thatchers children fighting the forces of communism and unions holding us back” narrative…….years later, and with access to more information, watching what has happens to my country I realise we should have supported them blokes because what they were fighting for meant so much more than just coal ! 
 

“Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”

We only have to look out the window to see none of these people we put our faith in, none of the “lesser of two evils” have ever had our best interests at heart……that’s not a conspiracy, the proof is there for all to see.

You mean those same blokes who voted not to support the steelworkers when they were being shafted?

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1 hour ago, tatsblisters said:

How its been used to control people with no visible proof that God exists.

I agree with you in part,but the proof no.

I wouldn't say I'm religious,but I have faith an believe in the Lord,I'm definatley not controlled,its a choice?

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