Sheep Issue

[dytkos 17,813]

Just now, Black neck said:

Fair play d 

Only ran 2 , dog is hard work sometimes but he'll learn  I'll learn. 

Cheers, D.

[Black neck 16,047]

4 hours ago, dytkos said:

Only ran 2 , dog is hard work sometimes but he'll learn  I'll learn. 

Cheers, D.

Good man

[toolebox 1,559]

19 hours ago, bird said:

yes and no mate, yes all dogs are different . the main thing is more so a young dog, that been used on deer, ( yes) it knows the difference from a  smelly old sheep  , and a fallow or a roe, but some times if the bloods up, and it pulled couple deer , it could grab a sheep , not saying it would , but could in that 15 sec of madness . like said you got to knock it in to them  that sheep are a no no, and sheep equals  pain. like right now lot of sheep got young lambs with them, Buck brill , ive had lambs following him about  and smelling him  lol,  little woody a no no, sheep, hosses, cattle anything  that aint a dog is fair game to that twat, but he was rescue even be fore my lad had him , think he 12 , Buck 10 in august  . Buck sensitive  dog, so it was easy to get into his head, he dont like getting a  hit , he as done good though, he nailed a fox through some  sheep the one night , came back with it through 2 fields with sheep in both .  now i had kellpie x collie x grey bitch, that was head banger ok with me, but nobody else , had to shoot her in the end went for my wife + son, shame as  no prob with me, couldnt trust with people , she took few foxes and munjack, this was in the 80s , it took 2 feckin good hidings before it sunk in , she was good then after that, like say all dogs are different , what say to anybody with young lurcher , you must keep showing them day/night  , do few stays right in the middle of the sheep, let the dog know there nothing to them, make them oblivious  to them , that the secret .

Damn you just missed out on a huge pay day ,you could onsold that bitch for a small fortune  to any broke who was having trouble with his ex-wife. lol 

Edited March 2, 2022 by toolebox

[Black neck 16,047]

9 hours ago, toolebox said:

Damn you just missed out on a huge pay day ,you could onsold that bitch for a small fortune  to any broke who was having trouble with his ex-wife. lol 

Would of jacked if it seen my x ffs 

[bird 9,946]

23 hours ago, Black neck said:

Would of jacked if it seen my x ffs 

haha  i ssould have got rid of the wife instead haha    like it , i did try muzzling  that kelpie/ collie x grey bitch few times, but like working round with apbt, but she was prob worse as she have people as well, most of  staffs and pit were good with people

[Aussie Whip 4,127]

Don't really know what hill sheep are but I think some dogs know the difference between feral and domestic stock. I had a little pit bitch I used to catch feral goats for dog food but she'd sit with domestic goats of the neighbor. Pig dogs that killed a pack of feral dogs but were not aggressive to pet dogs. Terriers that ignored pet cats but killed feral ones. The hill sheep may smell feral to dogs.

[C.green 3,231]

My young bitch would probably kill sheep at the minute i maybe get her up sheepchasers soon and show her they off the menu but no big deal if i dont im lucky enough ill just stay away from them. Think some people too hard on the stock breaking myself if i could get pups round them everyday i would but i cant so would involve me knocking my dog to not show interest in them wich i aint doing when there young.

[Neal 1,873]

On 23/02/2022 at 18:30, MagyarAgar said:

Sorry for hijacking this thread, but I think I have seen your collies on the ACD Thread from a couple weeks ago and wonder what type of collie they are?
I am reading a book on the history of the Kelpie breed and there are a lot of collie strains mentioned, that are probably not around anymore?

ORIGINS OF THE AUSTRALIAN KELPIE | kelpiehistory

WWW.KELPIEHISTORY.COM

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From the north of Scotland to the outback of Australia and everywhere in between, wherever contributions to the evolution of the Kelpie breed occurred, Bill and...

 

I know this is a sheep based thread but I'll just add...that's a great book. I bought it a few years ago when it first came out as it was the follow up to a dvd the author had made. There's been a similar type book more recently called (I think) "The Dogs That Made Australia" or something like that. That's a good book too but of the two I'd favour yours for historical accuracy. Bill Robertson seems to have done a lot more real detective work which makes his facts unassailable and his theories believable. Conversely, the other book has some accuracy but some theories seem to be based on that plague of anybody researching dog breeds..."they must be related/descendants as they look similar." 

[bird 9,946]

Just bit more update with this sheep post, was out today with Buck and little woody, like said the sheep are  with young lambs now, like  said Buck brill with them, woody not, so that prat stays on the lead. I did bump into a mate  and  nephew with young lurcher 3 month old pup, pup was OK just socialising with people and other dogs. It was nice friendly pup, Buck was good with it, woody OK. But I did. Notice that the pup was loose, no lead, and not showing any intreast in the sheep.  I said this all OK as yet,  but you should show the sheep under bit more control (lead) because, sooner or later as the pups gets legs, and agile  and wants to loose of bit of steam as they all do as they get  more mature, they see them wooly things as poss bit of fun. Sheep should 100% be shown with young pups in nice easy controlled state get the obedience in its head 1st, then shhep train, not the other way round. Few pics today 

[jossa 971]

I find running a lot of bambi can turn dogs on to sheep. Get on top of itand get the dog in with sheep daily.

[MagyarAgar 88]

On 05/03/2022 at 14:35, Neal said:

I know this is a sheep based thread but I'll just add...that's a great book. I bought it a few years ago when it first came out as it was the follow up to a dvd the author had made. There's been a similar type book more recently called (I think) "The Dogs That Made Australia" or something like that. That's a good book too but of the two I'd favour yours for historical accuracy. Bill Robertson seems to have done a lot more real detective work which makes his facts unassailable and his theories believable. Conversely, the other book has some accuracy but some theories seem to be based on that plague of anybody researching dog breeds..."they must be related/descendants as they look similar." 

It is a good read and Bill Robertson is clearly putting in the work.
I also liked his documentary, although I have to say I like the book more since it gives way more depth.

[OldPhil 5,801]

On 05/03/2022 at 13:35, Neal said:

I know this is a sheep based thread but I'll just add...that's a great book. I bought it a few years ago when it first came out as it was the follow up to a dvd the author had made. There's been a similar type book more recently called (I think) "The Dogs That Made Australia" or something like that. That's a good book too but of the two I'd favour yours for historical accuracy. Bill Robertson seems to have done a lot more real detective work which makes his facts unassailable and his theories believable. Conversely, the other book has some accuracy but some theories seem to be based on that plague of anybody researching dog breeds..."they must be related/descendants as they look similar." 

I am keeping well away, from all things Kelpie

But, just for my own curiosity Neal,...what were Bill's conclusions, regarding the Dingo.. yes,....or no ? 

[Neal 1,873]

1 hour ago, OldPhil said:

I am keeping well away, from all things Kelpie

But, just for my own curiosity Neal,...what were Bill's conclusions, regarding the Dingo.. yes,....or no ? 

His opinion was yes. For a start, even if there was no dingo blood in the early days and the early kelpies were basically a blend of collies from a couple of particular areas of Scotland, other people have added it since. He also feels that there may even be a slight possibility that the original bitch was half dingo. As MagyarAgar says though, it goes into a lot more detail in the book, travelling to Scotland to visit farms which exported original collie stock and talking to descendents of the early kelpie breeders.

[MagyarAgar 88]

1 hour ago, OldPhil said:

I am keeping well away, from all things Kelpie

But, just for my own curiosity Neal,...what were Bill's conclusions, regarding the Dingo.. yes,....or no ? 

 

He even went so far as to do genetic tests that in his opinion proofed the Dingo influence. In my opinion this is this is inconclusive since it is extremely hard to proof the influence from a genetic point of view.

There is apparently a stigma regarding Dingos so at least in the past it was a big no no to say that you use Dingo crosses for stock work or even have them around.

[OldPhil 5,801]

Thanks Neal,....

 

 

Edited April 28, 2022 by OldPhil