Russia Ukraine WW3

[Francie 6,368]

As usual it's Biden administration causing hysteria,an nato,plus the mainstream news

[Daniel cain 45,480]

Fight,fight,fight!!!

[Francie 6,368]

The news is full of shite,they said in Friday,invasion immenint,same on the Sunday an all week,complete bullshit

[Daniel cain 45,480]

3 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Fight,fight,fight!!!

 

[Francie 6,368]

Russian invasion of Ukraine ‘inevitable and imminent’

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Russian invasion of Ukraine ‘inevitable and imminent’

 

23 Jan still nothing

[Born Hunter 17,763]

15 minutes ago, Francie said:

The news is full of shite,they said in Friday,invasion immenint,same on the Sunday an all week,complete bullshit

So if an invasion happens this weekend, they were wrong were they? LOL

I disagree with that Tory MP, I don't think an invasion is guaranteed at all, probably not even the most likely outcome. But you're living on another planet if you don't think Putin is playing chess here with many options on the table and this 'training' exercise isn't a strategic move towards those options. He's already annexed Crimea, is in the process of annexing Donesk and just so happens to have amassed unprecedented forces on the eastern border, in their northern ally Belarus and on the south in the Black Sea.

You don't mobilise that level of force if you're not making a point, and taking them at their word is a little hard when they have already pinched two lumps of Ukrainian sovereign territory.

[KimE 487]

"Hard to disagree with this but you have to remember the real reason Jews were vilified. 5-600 years ago they were the money lenders and kings and emperors were in debt! Same thing happened with the Templars!"

The Swedish king got jews to settle in Sweden in the 1700s to be able to lend money to Swedes as it were unchristian to take interest. The jews could only settle in 2-3 specific places , they could continue jewish seremony and build synagogs, no intermarriage with swedes were allowed, graveyards with jews only, they could not own land most better professions were forbidden for them. They needed to bee rich to be allowed in so some of the first arriving lend money to new immigrants who had to work for them later, as many of the old trades were out of limit they had to try new ones so banking and gross shop owners, education are light to carry so some went in to books and news buisness. 

[Francie 6,368]

26 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

So if an invasion happens this weekend, they were wrong were they? LOL

I disagree with that Tory MP, I don't think an invasion is guaranteed at all, probably not even the most likely outcome. But you're living on another planet if you don't think Putin is playing chess here with many options on the table and this 'training' exercise isn't a strategic move towards those options. He's already annexed Crimea, is in the process of annexing Donesk and just so happens to have amassed unprecedented forces on the eastern border, in their northern ally Belarus and on the south in the Black Sea.

You don't mobilise that level of force if you're not making a point, and taking them at their word is a little hard when they have already pinched two lumps of Ukrainian sovereign territory.

Yes because they said it was imminent sine end of Jan lol what does imminent mean?

[chartpolski 23,656]

There's the financial implication for Russia aswell.

They can't keep 60% of their land forces, huge elements of their naval and Air Force at invasion readiness on Ukraines border indefinitely.

Troops have to be fed and rotated, naval and air power replenished and serviced.

I'd guess Putin would claim a "win" if he got guarantees that Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO or the EU, but that doesn't seem likely, so it's a bit of a stalemate.

The West has to give him a reason to de-escalate without him or the West losing face.......unfortunately, that's how wars start, brinksmanship and diplomatic intransigence.

Cheers.

Edited February 17, 2022 by chartpolski

[Born Hunter 17,763]

2 minutes ago, Francie said:

Yes because they said it was imminent sine end of Jan lol what does imminent mean?

"about to happen".... a month in invasion terms is pretty imminent.

But it's really neither here nor there because it's one MP and I don't agree with him. My point is you seem to think Putin can do no wrong and it's all the evil Biden/EU spreading lies.

What Russia are doing is in no way routine or benign. They're making a play, having already relieved their neighbour of land and in the process of actively relieving them of more. My bet is that full scale invasion of Ukraine is what they want everyone to believe so when they make their actual smaller move the world will think the result was a win and accept it.

What does the EU or Biden have to gain from this escalation?

[Nicepix 5,650]

If NATO amassed military in Alaska on Russia's western side and conducted some legitimate excersises Putin would soon realise that his mission was futile. He would have to get a large force right across Russia PDQ to meet the perceived threat or the Russian public would turn on him for negligence. . 

[Francie 6,368]

10 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

"about to happen".... a month in invasion terms is pretty imminent.

But it's really neither here nor there because it's one MP and I don't agree with him. My point is you seem to think Putin can do no wrong and it's all the evil Biden/EU spreading lies.

What Russia are doing is in no way routine or benign. They're making a play, having already relieved their neighbour of land and in the process of actively relieving them of more. My bet is that full scale invasion of Ukraine is what they want everyone to believe so when they make their actual smaller move the world will think the result was a win and accept it.

What does the EU or Biden have to gain from this escalation?

I never said putin can do no wrong,what they gain will be money an resources,us has mutilated the middleeast man,they've done more invading than putin has ever done born.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

2 minutes ago, Francie said:

I never said putin can do no wrong,what they gain will be money an resources,us has mutilated the middleeast man,they've done more invading than putin has ever done born.

Since 2014 Ukraine were already 'on side', they were already making moves towards union with the EU and NATO membership. There's nothing really to be gained by the West through instigating false Russian aggression. This military escalation is entirely Putin! The defence industry don't even need it, they've got the rise of China justifying their next sales, which is going to be a huge pay day.

I haven't said the West or the US are any better. In fact I'd say the last 20 years of disasters have led to Putin feeling emboldened enough to do shit like this. At least the West use uniformed troops when they invade or bomb somewhere, Putin just has his 'little green men', or doesn't as he claims.

He's making moves in Africa, Europe, and Asia every bit as much as the US does, just with more limited capability and so chooses more irregular and so deniable strategies. Why are you buying into it?

[tatsblisters 9,780]

The Black Sabbath song keeps coming to mind War Pigs 

[chartpolski 23,656]

Russia has never really seen the Middle East as a "sphere of influence ", although they they have allways wanted a Mediterranean base, have had influence in Egypt and have a big military presence in Syria, supporting the Assad regime.

Russia has concentrated on the Caucuses, Central Asia and Eastern Europe.

Theyve invaded many countries, some that most people have never heard of or could point to on a map.

Checnya, Daghastan, Inigushetia, Georgia and Afghanistan, Crimea. All countries Russia has fought wars with, invaded or annexed in the recent past.

So, in terms of interfering in other countries, Russia is probably no better or worse than the west.

Cheers.