Russia Ukraine WW3

[dytkos 17,802]

18 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Was looking at an depth look at  the Holocaust the other day. 

it’s actually heartbreaking resting some of the survivors letters to 

An oldie but a goldie 

My lad visited Auschwitz this morning.

Cheers, D. 

[Nicepix 5,650]

Putin is playing mind games. All that is needed to sort this out is for NATO to start building up troop numbers in Alaska, just outside Russia's back door. He will soon have the military marching west at a quick step.

Trouble is, in Europe they are all in his payroll. The Germans are scared of having the gas cut off and their ex Chancellor is on the pipeline company's board of directors. Their total contribution to the Ukraine military is 5,000 helmets.

And America has a lame duck President. 

[WILF 47,212]

21 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Was looking at an depth look at  the Holocaust the other day. 

it’s actually heartbreaking resting some of the survivors letters to 

An oldie but a goldie 

It’s a very old book but “The Scourge of the Swastika” is a very good read brother.

However, I don’t believe you can look at the holocaust in isolation as much as the “victors” have always wanted us too and that is what is promoted.

No, you have to look at how we arrive at the holocaust !!…..that’s the important bit, it’s the bit I don’t think they want you to look at.

I see a lot of parallels in modern European  (and American and lately Canadian) government policy that compare with what gave rise to national socialism and the eradication of a race of people who were seen as very much part of the problem.

As I have said before, Germany didn’t just have 200,000 psychotic beasts sitting about waiting to be unleashed on the world…..no, these were normal blokes who couldn’t see a way out (sound familiar ?) 

And what is more, as much as everyone post war “hated the Nazis”, did they f**k…..Germany and Hitler and his ideals had massive support throughout Europe.

You can see this mildly played out now when a Russian basically dictator is seen as the most common sense option by many (my self included)…..this is the first time in my lifetime where I think there would be a lot of European people on Putins side.

Theres no way that would have been the case 30 years ago.

The storm clouds are brewing, the left wing fanatics won’t go down without a very dirty and very bitter fight (as we are seeing so wonderfully demonstrated by Trudeau in Canada….Marshall law invoked for a peaceful protests ?) 

 

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

Thought it had all kicked off here earlier when there was what felt like an earthquake!! (West Lancs) 

[chartpolski 23,956]

Not really a discussion I want to get into, as people far more educated on the subject than me cant agree  the rise of the Nazis.

But the way I see it was the end of WW1 and the Treaty Of Versailles and the reparations the Germans had to pay and the humiliation a proud nation felt, meant they were crying out for a strong leader, and Hitler was a man of his time.

 He couldn't focus on the Allies or the Russians, as they were the cause of the national humiliation, so he needed some one to blame, and the Jews fitted the narrative.

Then the weakness of the victors allowed the Germans to re-arm and look eastward to the Sudetenland and Poland. This combined with Chaimberland and the UK's appeasement , because we were skint and in massive debt to the US, meant no one was there to stop the rise of the Nazis.

We see it now with the weakness of the West, Putin can invade the Ukraine and all we can threaten is monetary sanctions......does anyone think this will worry Russia ? 

I'm of the opinion in years to come, a modern day Gibbon will write " The Decline And Fall Of The West "

Cheers.

[Born Hunter 17,776]

28 minutes ago, JDHUNTING said:

Thought it had all kicked off here earlier when there was what felt like an earthquake!! (West Lancs) 

QRA Typhoons scrambled apparently. Poseidon launched too. Dunno if it’s connected. 

[kanny 20,628]

'Earthquake' that shook Merseyside confirmed as sonic boom - Liverpool Echo

WWW.LIVERPOOLECHO.CO.UK

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BAE confirmed the noise reported in the Southport area was a supersonic boom

 

[Born Hunter 17,776]

9 minutes ago, kanny said:

 

'Earthquake' that shook Merseyside confirmed as sonic boom - Liverpool Echo

WWW.LIVERPOOLECHO.CO.UK

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BAE confirmed the noise reported in the Southport area was a supersonic boom

 

Now that's got me interested. Not QRA jets then. Not typical to do this with production jets I dont think, so must have been testing a specific new upgrade.

[DIDO.1 22,844]

10 hours ago, chartpolski said:

Not really a discussion I want to get into, as people far more educated on the subject than me cant agree  the rise of the Nazis.

But the way I see it was the end of WW1 and the Treaty Of Versailles and the reparations the Germans had to pay and the humiliation a proud nation felt, meant they were crying out for a strong leader, and Hitler was a man of his time.

 He couldn't focus on the Allies or the Russians, as they were the cause of the national humiliation, so he needed some one to blame, and the Jews fitted the narrative.

Then the weakness of the victors allowed the Germans to re-arm and look eastward to the Sudetenland and Poland. This combined with Chaimberland and the UK's appeasement , because we were skint and in massive debt to the US, meant no one was there to stop the rise of the Nazis.

We see it now with the weakness of the West, Putin can invade the Ukraine and all we can threaten is monetary sanctions......does anyone think this will worry Russia ? 

I'm of the opinion in years to come, a modern day Gibbon will write " The Decline And Fall Of The West "

Cheers.

It's something I've thought about quite a bit but trying to look at the causes for the 1st and 2nd world wars is a worm hole where you will always struggle to see the truth. It really is a case of the truth goes to the Victors. 

To even begin to discuss the 2nd war you need to discuss the first and the state of the German people between the wars. 

The world has now written the nazis down as the most evil movement that ever existed in the history of life in the planet, led by purely evil people who committed unrivaled acts of atrocity. Yet can we really blame them for most of the stages of the war. Germany invaded Poland yet parts of Poland were considered German, that they had taken off them at the end of the first war. The wars came at a time where we and others occupied large parts of the globe....hell we invented concentration camps in Africa where we starved to death huge numbers of boer women and children not long before!!! 

With regards to the Jews, obviously the holocaust and the treatment of all manner of groups in the death camps was a level of evil that we can't comprehend, yet its hardly unprecedented. More died at the hands of left wing dictators in Russia and other areas during the same century but the political left and communism was never really blamed like 'the far right' was. 

Obviously it was wrong to blame the ordinary Jewish people and other minority groups but were the Germans that far off the mark in looking for the forces set against the ordinary people. Most of us now are seeing the forces set against us, with the control of banking and finance, the media and education. As has already been said....it's not really a surprise that there was a reaction at some point. At that time the Jewish presence in banking and media was more noticeable and like the bankers, media mogals and the gates and zuckerbergs of today, you would be insaine to believe that they care for our welfare. 

They have today made it impossible, even illegal to debate in anyway the numbers or events attached to the holocaust. Yes it happened, I have Jewish family and as a freemason we remember the masons that died at the nazis hands....but to ban and stop any discussion of a narrative?

[hambone 950]

1 hour ago, DIDO.1 said:

It's something I've thought about quite a bit but trying to look at the causes for the 1st and 2nd world wars is a worm hole where you will always struggle to see the truth. It really is a case of the truth goes to the Victors. 

To even begin to discuss the 2nd war you need to discuss the first and the state of the German people between the wars. 

The world has now written the nazis down as the most evil movement that ever existed in the history of life in the planet, led by purely evil people who committed unrivaled acts of atrocity. Yet can we really blame them for most of the stages of the war. Germany invaded Poland yet parts of Poland were considered German, that they had taken off them at the end of the first war. The wars came at a time where we and others occupied large parts of the globe....hell we invented concentration camps in Africa where we starved to death huge numbers of boer women and children not long before!!! 

With regards to the Jews, obviously the holocaust and the treatment of all manner of groups in the death camps was a level of evil that we can't comprehend, yet its hardly unprecedented. More died at the hands of left wing dictators in Russia and other areas during the same century but the political left and communism was never really blamed like 'the far right' was. 

Obviously it was wrong to blame the ordinary Jewish people and other minority groups but were the Germans that far off the mark in looking for the forces set against the ordinary people. Most of us now are seeing the forces set against us, with the control of banking and finance, the media and education. As has already been said....it's not really a surprise that there was a reaction at some point. At that time the Jewish presence in banking and media was more noticeable and like the bankers, media mogals and the gates and zuckerbergs of today, you would be insaine to believe that they care for our welfare. 

They have today made it impossible, even illegal to debate in anyway the numbers or events attached to the holocaust. Yes it happened, I have Jewish family and as a freemason we remember the masons that died at the nazis hands....but to ban and stop any discussion of a narrative?

With regards to the Jews, obviously the holocaust and the treatment of all manner of groups in the death camps was a level of evil that we can't comprehend, yet its hardly unprecedented. More died at the hands of left wing dictators in Russia and other areas during the same century but the political left and communism was never really blamed like 'the far right' was. 

That paragraph is spot on. (highlighted in red for a reason)

[kanny 20,628]

3 minutes ago, hambone said:

With regards to the Jews, obviously the holocaust and the treatment of all manner of groups in the death camps was a level of evil that we can't comprehend, yet its hardly unprecedented. More died at the hands of left wing dictators in Russia and other areas during the same century but the political left and communism was never really blamed like 'the far right' was. 

That paragraph is spot on. (highlighted in red for a reason)

The Nazi Party, officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party.....

[hambone 950]

2 minutes ago, kanny said:

The Nazi Party, officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party.....

Lol, you couldn't make it up.....even the Nazi's misrepresented as right wing fascists '

[kanny 20,628]

19 minutes ago, hambone said:

Lol, you couldn't make it up.....even the Nazi's misrepresented as right wing fascists '

If only we had a modern day  party to compare the nazi's to....you know, a anti semitic largely  vegetarian  party who want state control.....hang on

[twobob 1,497]

On 13/02/2022 at 18:19, KimE said:

All thouse brits invading France and Spain.

The not going out penniless though are  they  how many off these landing here get the pensions taxed errrr none

[Born Hunter 17,776]

Though socialist is in their name, they weren't strictly socialists, in fact if I'm not mistaken Hitler explicitly hated 'socialists'.

Nazism embraced the sort of socialist beliefs of everyone chipping in for the good of all (the state), but they killed people considered weak, lol. Socialists help the weak, sometimes to their detriment. The sort of socialism the Nazi's embraced was absolutely typical of nationalism, which most wouldn't consider socialists.

This really just highlights how erroneous a one dimensional (left/right) theory of politics is.

This is possibly more helpful, but is still simplified.