NEWKID 27,042 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, DIDO.1 said: I did a flea spray this morning then fcked it for the day and went fishing, now I'm meeting our kid for a quick pint, then I'll take my lad boxing. We all define 'rich' in different ways Said for years earning money buys you time, which is priceless.. great stuff mateĀ 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,804 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 17 minutes ago, Greyman said: Cheers for that if I need to reinvent myself again in the future sometime I,ll come back as an agile coach thanks for the heads up lolĀ Ā Ā Youāll make more if you write a book aswell lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,039 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 16 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Said for years earning money buys you time, which is priceless.. great stuff mateĀ My saying EXACTLY,cash buys you time and opportunity,paper is freedom tokens. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qbgrey 4,062 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 Lead welding seems good money, my lead guy is not cheap on price. Anyone on here know roughly what they earn??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,523 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 6 hours ago, mushroom said: Some of the coders I've worked with/hired are on big big bucks. A mate is earning easily close to a Mil ā¬ a year going into big companies and reforming their IT teams to make them more efficient... He moved to Andorra for the max 10% tax bracket lol.. If they are able to go it alone and invoice the clients/companies they'll end up much better off, more so if they move to a low tax country If the fat little c**t starts earning a million sovs he can give me some of it so I donāt do him in !Ā 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gypsydog94 4,552 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, DIDO.1 said: I did a flea spray this morning then fcked it for the day and went fishing, now I'm meeting our kid for a quick pint, then I'll take my lad boxing. We all define 'rich' in different ways I did the same last week and went tivvy. Enjoy having flexible work and a better boss who doesnāt worry. Worth more then a extra pound or twoĀ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 25,974 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 Please tell me I'm not the only one that has no clue what Born and mushroom were talking about.. 4 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 27,947 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, TOMO said: Please tell me I'm not the only one that has no clue what Born and mushroom were talking about.. What you need is an agile coach Ā by the sound of thingsĀ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,604 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, TOMO said: Please tell me I'm not the only one that has no clue what Born and mushroom were talking about.. project management speak matĆ©. best run some of those terms past your own āScrum Master ā to see how that goes down buddy .Ā the reality is most PMs I know spend most of the day on two different blowers , end up doing most of the other peoples jobs for them and end up getting malleted as soon as the project is finished . Proper cut throat industry where everyone pulls theirĀ wages , figures and earnings out of their arse .Ā Ā fair play if you can make a good wage at it .Ā Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,523 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 30 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: project management speak matĆ©. best run some of those terms past your own āScrum Master ā to see how that goes down buddy .Ā the reality is most PMs I know spend most of the day on two different blowers , end up doing most of the other peoples jobs for them and end up getting malleted as soon as the project is finished . Proper cut throat industry where everyone pulls theirĀ wages , figures and earnings out of their arse .Ā Ā fair play if you can make a good wage at it .Ā The best project managers I met met were women and and only about half of those were any good, the blokes were normally tossers doing nothing more than handing out spread sheets and time lines but without an actual clue of how projects have to fit together in reality. A normal conversation would be along the lines of: PM: āX amount of kit will arrive on X amount of 40ft lorryās at X time every evening for 14 daysāĀ Me: āWhoās doing the transport and whatās their contact number, I donāt want to have 10 blokes standing around doing nothing while the driver has egg & chips in a cafe on the M20āĀ PM: āThe manufacturers are arranging that and they have assured me itās all sorted, no problemā Me: āItās never all sorted and when they go home and 4:30 they donāt care, give me the number of the person at the manufacture and Iāll talk to themā PM: āIt will be fine, they have assured meā Me: āIāll repeat, itās never all fine, just give me their details, I need to know everyone and their contacts at every step so I can make sure your job gets done on timeā PM: āIāll email them tomorrow and double check, but itās all fineā Me: āIāll just fly out there and see them myselfāĀ Absolute amateurs the lot of them in my experienceā¦ā¦when it gos boss eyed they normally have a confused look and the excuse of āwell I emailed and sent the spreadsheet ?!ā Yeah, but you didnāt make sure and then make sure again did you ya f***ing idiot !Ā These people have caused me no end of extra hours in my life because I never let other people break my promises and I canāt stand excuses.Ā Ā Women ( when you get a good one)Ā Ā I found are much better at the role, they let people who know get on with their job, are open to advice and collate and deliver information well so that everyone knows who, what, how and when. Ā 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 (edited) 27 minutes ago, WILF said: The best project managers I met met were women and and only about half of those were any good, the blokes were normally tossers doing nothing more than handing out spread sheets and time lines but without an actual clue of how projects have to fit together in reality. A normal conversation would be along the lines of: PM: āX amount of kit will arrive on X amount of 40ft lorryās at X time every evening for 14 daysāĀ Me: āWhoās doing the transport and whatās their contact number, I donāt want to have 10 blokes standing around doing nothing while the driver has egg & chips in a cafe on the M20āĀ PM: āThe manufacturers are arranging that and they have assured me itās all sorted, no problemā Me: āItās never all sorted and when they go home and 4:30 they donāt care, give me the number of the person at the manufacture and Iāll talk to themā PM: āIt will be fine, they have assured meā Me: āIāll repeat, itās never all fine, just give me their details, I need to know everyone and their contacts at every step so I can make sure your job gets done on timeā PM: āIāll email them tomorrow and double check, but itās all fineā Me: āIāll just fly out there and see them myselfāĀ Absolute amateurs the lot of them in my experienceā¦ā¦when it gos boss eyed they normally have a confused look and the excuse of āwell I emailed and sent the spreadsheet ?!ā Yeah, but you didnāt make sure and then make sure again did you ya f***ing idiot !Ā These people have caused me no end of extra hours in my life because I never let other people break my promises and I canāt stand excuses.Ā Ā Women ( when you get a good one)Ā Ā I found are much better at the role, they let people who know get on with their job, are open to advice and collate and deliver information well so that everyone knows who, what, how and when. Ā Not sure I'd really call that project management tbh. That sounds more a business as usual activity. What's the output? I mean a PM would do that as part of an actual project if there wasn't a dedicated team member to handle logistics but it's not exactly representing the value that a PM really brings to an organisation. Not that I'm a project manager but the best ones are experts at stakeholder management. I see it all of the time where directors/VPs are completely misaligned, team members too afraid to voice concerns over feasibility etc etc. Stakeholder managementĀ and discipline are all there is too it at it's core. They have a sixth sense for risk too. I suspect we're talking about two very different professionals really. Edited April 23 by Born Hunter 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,804 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 (edited) Basic explanation of an IT project Ā product - new website Stakeholders - the business managers/hierarchyĀ who want the new website PO - product owner, responsible for ensuring the stakeholder requirements are handed to the SM correctly and to follow the projects development. SM - scrum master, responsible as a buffer between the hierarchy +Ā PO and the dev team. Also a team lead/coach Dev team - bunch of twats who create the damn website. SCRUM -Ā methodologyĀ for managing projects. Breaking them down into parts that can be completed in 2 week sprints. Thereās a hell of a lot more into it but thatās the crux AGILE - methodology above SCRUM that can incorporate other methodologies such as Kanban, Prince 2, SAFEĀ etc. correctly,Ā AGILE shouldĀ be the whole theĀ company and should (in theory) start with the hierarchy. In IT the CIO for example. Edited April 23 by mushroom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,804 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 And yesĀ it means to be agile lol. So being open and able to adapt and adjust toĀ changes in a project. Putting certain things to the side to tackle a more important task. For example the website needs an extra button that maybe allows clients to get direct access to sales and the hierarchy only thought it would be a good idea halfway through the project. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bakerboy 4,522 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 6 hours ago, mushroom said: Basic explanation of an IT project Ā product - new website Stakeholders - the business managers/hierarchyĀ who want the new website PO - product owner, responsible for ensuring the stakeholder requirements are handed to the SM correctly and to follow the projects development. SM - scrum master, responsible as a buffer between the hierarchy +Ā PO and the dev team. Also a team lead/coach Dev team - bunch of twats who create the damn website. SCRUM -Ā methodologyĀ for managing projects. Breaking them down into parts that can be completed in 2 week sprints. Thereās a hell of a lot more into it but thatās the crux AGILE - methodology above SCRUM that can incorporate other methodologies such as Kanban, Prince 2, SAFEĀ etc. correctly,Ā AGILE shouldĀ be the whole theĀ company and should (in theory) start with the hierarchy. In IT the CIO for example. Still none the wiser but I do know all the IT blokes on our IT jobs are right wanky types 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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