Russia Ukraine WW3

[scotty12 1,888]

3 hours ago, Mickey Finn said:

Well, there is a certain amount of truth there. In as the USA had been the driving force of NATO. Ukraines former President was a Russian lacky and there were questions about the validity of the election. It's no secret Ukraine has issues with corruption. This fact made their path to NATO problematic to say the least. Problematic to people in the west who wished to do business there as well.

Russia is in a tough spot and their annexing Crimea has made it a near certainty that Ukraine will be welcomed into NATO. So, they can recall their troops or they can fight on. The next step for them would be Estonia, Latvia, region. Or push on to Poland. NATO countries all. Let's hope they recall their soldiers and agree to restitution.

Yep the good old US of A ….. pillars of the free worlds

[EDDIE B 3,162]

8 hours ago, scotty12 said:

video in the link …. Some common sense after all …. Russia bad …. Putin bad …. Everyone bad apart from the deep state agenda 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. talks to Russell Brand about the U.S. foreign policy establishment's role in starting the Ukraine War and John F. Kennedy's 1963 speech on Russia:

 

"President Bush famously told them, we will not move NATO one inch to the east. Well, since then, we've moved 1000 miles to the east. And we've incorporated 14 of the Russian former satellites...

 

They repeatedly said to us, you cannot incorporate Ukraine into NATO. We then unilaterally walked away from our two Intermediate Nuclear Weapons treaties with Russians. We had a treaty saying you can't use Intermediate Nuclear weapons. These were huge steps in progress. And we cancelled both of them unilaterally. We told the Russians, we're not doing that anymore. Then we started surrounding them with these missile systems, we started practicing, you know, incorporating Ukraine into interoperability with NATO forces...

 

We then help to overthrow the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014 and install a very ultra nationalist, and that is a polite way of describing them as ultra nationalists, you know, a government that is extremely anti Russian. That prompts the Russians to go in and invade Crimea, because they're terrified that now that we have our own government in place there, we're going to put the naval, our US Navy fleet, at a warm water port that they've had for I think, 370 years, it's their only warm water port, it's their way of having a military presence in the Black Sea."

 

 

Yes, that makes total sense. Most of us haven't a clue what's going on around us. Either that, or we don't really care, unless we are affected in some way. When that happens, we just need to find someone to blame.

[kanny 20,456]

Reports of 18 missiles launched at Ukrainian cities last night  among them 6 hypersonic Kinzhal  missiles, all were taken out...

[kanny 20,456]

11 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

I wonder how they’re launching the storm shadow. It’s an air launched missile that’s not officially integrated with any platform they operate.

Talking to my Polish workmate this morning and he says that the MiG's Poland donated are NATO  standard and capable of firing the storm shadows. 

[Mickey Finn 3,008]

20 hours ago, scotty12 said:

Yep the good old US of A ….. pillars of the free worlds

Man, you are seriously over the edge. If the USA was anything like say. Back at the end of WWII, with a standing army on every continent, an intact industrial base, and the ability to make weapons like "little boy". Then the world would be a very different place now. Instead we opened up trade for everyone and only asked help containing communism. 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Mickey Finn

[scotty12 1,888]

1 hour ago, Mickey Finn said:

Man, you are seriously over the edge. If the USA was anything like say. Back at the end of WWII, with a standing army on every continent, an intact industrial base, and the ability to make weapons like "little boy". Then the world would be a very different place now. Instead we opened up trade for everyone and only asked help containing communism. 

Pull the other leg mickey son …. Ask yourself how much destruction has America caused around the world since ww2 …. Answers on a post card 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

1 hour ago, scotty12 said:

Pull the other leg mickey son …. Ask yourself how much destruction has America caused around the world since ww2 …. Answers on a post card 

Maybe because it’s not afraid to face conflict head on and fight fire with fire instead of pink cushions and roses .

[scotty12 1,888]

1 hour ago, foxdropper said:

Maybe because it’s not afraid to face conflict head on and fight fire with fire instead of pink cushions and roses .

I would agree if it was for the right intentions but look at it this way both our governments can’t even look after their own people they don’t give a f**k so don’t think for one minute they care about people in foreign countries ….. only reason they start they wars is for political reasons and sheer greed to line their pockets 

[Mickey Finn 3,008]

8 hours ago, scotty12 said:

Pull the other leg mickey son …. Ask yourself how much destruction has America caused around the world since ww2 …. Answers on a post card 

scotty, have we ever killed anyone who didn't need killing? 

[Mickey Finn 3,008]

5 hours ago, scotty12 said:

I would agree if it was for the right intentions but look at it this way both our governments can’t even look after their own people they don’t give a f**k so don’t think for one minute they care about people in foreign countries ….. only reason they start they wars is for political reasons and sheer greed to line their pockets 

Of course, wars are fought for political reasons. What an odd thing for you to say. As for lining our pockets? I'd challenge that accusation. We have not seized oil or other resources from any nation outside of sanctioned products. 

[dogmandont 9,802]

48 minutes ago, Mickey Finn said:

scotty, have we ever killed anyone who didn't need killing? 

That's one of the funniest statements I've read on here in a while. Lol. 

[dogmandont 9,802]

44 minutes ago, Mickey Finn said:

Of course, wars are fought for political reasons. What an odd thing for you to say. As for lining our pockets? I'd challenge that accusation. We have not seized oil or other resources from any nation outside of sanctioned products. 

So the USA don't make money from wars... Seriously?? 

[Mickey Finn 3,008]

22 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

So the USA don't make money from wars... Seriously?? 

No, we spend money. In recent years we spend money we don't actually have. But, aren't you glad the terrorist do their thing in the sandbox now? You can also buy US bonds! 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Mickey Finn

[chartpolski 23,215]

On 16/05/2023 at 06:23, scotty12 said:

Yep the good old US of A ….. pillars of the free worlds

Just to give a little perspective and even handedness, the U S and Saudi are supporting the democratically elected government of Yemen in their war against the Houthi who are supported by Iran and Russia in trying to overthrow the government and install an unelected, undemocratic government.

Yes, the Americans , and the British, recruited Nazi scientists at the end of ww2, if they hadn’t, the Russians would have, and stole a march on the west in rocket and nuclear technology. 
All part of “the great game” and “real politik “

Cheers.

[kanny 20,456]

I think its clear that the function of most modern governments is to transfer state funds into corporate funds  be it via the industrial military  complex  or big pharma ect , our representative's are now little more than corporation shills ,spokesmen for the lobbyists.