Russia Ukraine WW3

[chartpolski 24,295]

I think Putin will start looking for a way out without losing face.

Theres a lot going on diplomatically, Zelensky and Putin have agreed to meet, and the Americans are meeting with the Chinese in Rome

Also, Putin can't keep throwing hundreds of Russian protesters into jail without the majority of Russian people asking what's going on ?

Plus the fact Riussia is taking far heavier losses than expected and hasn't got the momentum they thought they would have.

But who knows, he's allways got the option of escalation with the use of WMD's

Its all just conjecture.

Cheers.

[tatsblisters 10,149]

I remember the Yugoslavian refugees that came to Rotherham and loads of static caravans' were put up to house them and council worker's were asked if they wanted to help them and getting paid for it . It was only short term as it turned out and the refugees who came did not cause any problem's i would have thought that would have been a better solution than to offer folk 350 a month to house one.

[kanny 20,684]

 

[Born Hunter 17,798]

Anyone else potentially see Ukraine being partitioned down the Dnieper river?

Edited March 14, 2022 by Born Hunter

[kanny 20,684]

17 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Anyone else potentially see Ukraine being partitioned down the Dnieper river?

My Polish bud said this from the start

[kanny 20,684]

Be interesting to see what happens regarding  peace keeping...

[Born Hunter 17,798]

Just now, kanny said:

My Polish bud said this from the start

Ah, fair. I thought I was being innovative! 

See how long they can hold Kyiv, that'll be a key objective in deciding what is the end game.

Either way, whatever is left of Ukrainian sovereignty, if anything, will be armed to f**k by the international community. If it's not a NATO member then it'll be a de facto NATO force.

[Arry 22,330]

23 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Anyone else potentially see Ukraine being partitioned down the Dnieper river?

Can't see Ukraine agreeing to that myself. But might have to give up the eastern states of Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzha and maybe Kherson the ones the have a coast on the Sea of Azon. 

Cheers Arry

[kanny 20,684]

14 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Ah, fair. I thought I was being innovative! 

See how long they can hold Kyiv, that'll be a key objective in deciding what is the end game.

Either way, whatever is left of Ukrainian sovereignty, if anything, will be armed to f**k by the international community. If it's not a NATO member then it'll be a de facto NATO force.

If you look at like this  most the damage has been done to Eastern Ukraine and most deaths will be Russian speaking Ukrainians,  putin may have inadvertently created  45 million Ukrainian nationals with this invasion,  even if he takes the east it may not last long

[Born Hunter 17,798]

18 minutes ago, Arry said:

Can't see Ukraine agreeing to that myself. But might have to give up the eastern states of Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzha and maybe Kherson the ones the have a coast on the Sea of Azon. 

Cheers Arry

Tbh mate I can't see Ukraine agreeing to giving up a square inch, even in the face of annihilation. If it goes that way I think it'll essentially be decided by Russia and unofficially accepted by the international community until it is just part of history.

The problem I see with just giving up those eastern contested regions is that they do not give Russia the 'buffer' they want between them and NATO. Even if Ukraine agreed to give those up, they would never agree to not entering NATO or at least essentially being massively armed by NATO as a security guarantee against future invasion, and that is exactly what Putin wants to prevent.

Partitioning meets most of Russia's strategic objectives and means they don't have to occupy such a huge expanse of country. It might benefit their future counter insurgency efforts too, as the less motivated insurgents will still have the option of living in a free Ukraine. That's quite a powerful psychological tactic.

Edited March 14, 2022 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,798]

8 minutes ago, kanny said:

If you look at like this  most the damage has been done to Eastern Ukraine and most deaths will be Russian speaking Ukrainians,  putin may have inadvertently created  45 million Ukrainian nationals with this invasion,  even if he takes the east it may not last long

I personally think he's f****d up. Whatever he gains out of this, will lead to net losses imo. If they had gone from victory to victory and shown the world what they were capable of it would be a different story. This will weaken Russia's power and it will embolden, expand, and improve NATO. It may well even lead to the end of the Putin regime. 

[chartpolski 24,295]

6 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I personally think he's f****d up. Whatever he gains out of this, will lead to net losses imo. If they had gone from victory to victory and shown the world what they were capable of it would be a different story. This will weaken Russia's power and it will embolden, expand, and improve NATO. It may well even lead to the end of the Putin regime. 

I agree.

The NATO doctrine of an expected Russian armoured blitzkrieg through Ukraine, Poland and Germany is now dead in the water !

The Russians performance in Ukraine shows that NATO air power and off shore cruise missiles would quickly halt any Russian armoured advance.

Cheers.

Edited March 14, 2022 by chartpolski

[Borr 6,249]

Talk of realistic talks, might be good news....

[riohog 5,729]

putin has fkd  up on a masive scale  , but he will destroy ukrain just for the hell of it ,as long as the chokis  stay out of it russia is fkd ,,

[greg64 2,849]

1 hour ago, Born Hunter said:

Anyone else potentially see Ukraine being partitioned down the Dnieper river?

i think that is highly likely there has been talk of it for years