Born Hunter 17,751 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 Why haven't the Russians gained air superiority over, what on paper is, a much weaker opponent? Quote While the early VKS failure to establish air superiority could be explained by lack of early warning, coordination capacity and sufficient planning time, the continued pattern of activity suggests a more significant conclusion: that the VKS lacks the institutional capacity to plan, brief and fly complex air operations at scale. There is significant circumstantial evidence to support this, admittedly tentative, explanation.... ...This explanation may yet prove to be false; the VKS may suddenly start mounting large-scale complex air operations comparable to those routinely conducted by NATO states and other modern air forces such as Israel. If it does not, however, it will have profound implications for its potential combat power against Ukrainian forces in the coming weeks, and its value as a conventional deterrence tool against Western countries. https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/russian-air-force-actually-incapable-complex-air-operations Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, chartpolski said: Liverpool dockers refuse to offload Russian oil from ship; Ship forced to move on after dockers at UK refinery refuse to unload Russian oil | Shipping industry | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Departure of German-flagged Seacod from Ellesmere Port in Cheshire follows similar action at Kent port Cheers. Liverpool dockers on strike ?…….there’s a dangerous break from the norm ! lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Why haven't the Russians gained air superiority over, what on paper is, a much weaker opponent? https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/russian-air-force-actually-incapable-complex-air-operations You will be better informed on this mate, but could it be it is limiting operations ? We all know how boss eyed air strikes can go, we have plenty of experience. By the way, I genuinely don’t know, it’s just a question that crossed my mind Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) What’s everyone’s opinion of Zelensky asking us to start WW3 by engaging with Russian forces in a no fly zone ? Edited March 7, 2022 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 41 minutes ago, chartpolski said: Liverpool dockers refuse to offload Russian oil from ship; Ship forced to move on after dockers at UK refinery refuse to unload Russian oil | Shipping industry | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Departure of German-flagged Seacod from Ellesmere Port in Cheshire follows similar action at Kent port Cheers. Not aimed at you charts but oooooohhhh Tell them to get back to work,there's old granny's freezing to death ffs the oils payed for an all,hypocrites 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neobliviscaris1776 1,998 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, WILF said: What’s everyone’s opinion of Zelensky asking us to start WW3 by engaging with Russian forces in a no fly zone ? He's simply following what is expected of him in line with the globalist agenda. They want tension and prices to rise throughout the Western world, ok then start a warWho could take him seriously? He's a former actor? Installed after the 2014 Ukrainian overthrow? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, Francie said: Not aimed at you charts but oooooohhhh Tell them to get back to work,there's old granny's freezing to death ffs the oils payed for an all,hypocrites I remember doing a job in Liverpool years ago and they were all sat round a fire in a barrel outside the docks which had closed about 10 years earlier !……..someone should have told them ! Lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said: He's simply following what is expected of him in line with the globalist agenda. They want tension and prices to rise throughout the Western world, ok then start a warWho could take him seriously? He's a former actor? Installed after the 2014 Ukrainian overthrow? It does seem mighty coincidental that directly after Covid where they conjured trillions out of their arse and fuel was a €1 a litre and at a time when people were having a hard look at their own politicians that they suddenly go and find a war that nobody needed to have from what I can see of it. Its a bit tin foil hat I grant you but I wouldn’t put much past these people. Edited March 7, 2022 by WILF 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, WILF said: It does seem mighty coincidental that directly after Covid where they conjured trillions out of their arse and file was a €1 a litre and at a time when people were having a hard look at their own politicians that they suddenly go and find a war that nobody needed to have from what I can see of it. Its a bit tin foil hat I grant you but I wouldn’t put much past these people. That's called intuition wilf,not tin foil at all. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, WILF said: You will be better informed on this mate, but could it be it is limiting operations ? We all know how boss eyed air strikes can go, we have plenty of experience. By the way, I genuinely don’t know, it’s just a question that crossed my mind Tactically they are operating at night and at low altitude. That says two things to me, firstly they are scared of being seen by the radars of Ukrainian air defence missile systems so are flying low below the radar horizon. Unfortunately flying low puts them in range of the less capable but more easily hidden and dispersed stingers. Stingers don't use radar, they need the operator to visually target the aircraft, hence flying at night. A similar combination of low altitude harriers and high altitude warship missiles was seen during the Falkands, which in that instance led to the British task force attaining air superiority. Here the Ukrainians can't really hope to get superiority but they can deny it to the Russians, and so far are doing. Any capable air force would prioritise those high value SAMs, that can reach high altitudes, so their bombers can operate high up out of the reach of the stingers. Once they have control of that air space they can observe/target/strike whatever they want from safety. That's sort of a critical move and given they aren't being too restrained with their daily use of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and air strikes it looks likely that they just aren't capable of it. They don't seem to have a great supply of precision guided weapons, or at least aren't using a lot of them, which would be required for high altitude bombing, so maybe that's a factor too. I.e., they have no choice but to fly low with strike missions. But then I would argue there's still huge advantage to being able to safely operate in the higher altitudes from an intelligence/situational awareness point. I wouldn't have believed it before, but they seem to be getting a lot of stuff wrong that is just bread and butter to a Western force so I'm inclined to believe it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, WILF said: What’s everyone’s opinion of Zelensky asking us to start WW3 by engaging with Russian forces in a no fly zone ? Playing with fire. It'd turn the tide for them but potentially escalate into something very f***ing serious. It can't happen, but f**k me I'm curious to see how it would play out! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Born Hunter said: Tactically they are operating at night and at low altitude. That says two things to me, firstly they are scared of being seen by the radars of Ukrainian air defence missile systems so are flying low below the radar horizon. Unfortunately flying low puts them in range of the less capable but more easily hidden and dispersed stingers. Stingers don't use radar, they need the operator to visually target the aircraft, hence flying at night. A similar combination of low altitude harriers and high altitude warship missiles was seen during the Falkands, which in that instance led to the British task force attaining air superiority. Here the Ukrainians can't really hope to get superiority but they can deny it to the Russians, and so far are doing. Any capable air force would prioritise those high value SAMs, that can reach high altitudes, so their bombers can operate high up out of the reach of the stingers. Once they have control of that air space they can observe/target/strike whatever they want from safety. That's sort of a critical move and given they aren't being too restrained with their daily use of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and air strikes it looks likely that they just aren't capable of it. They don't seem to have a great supply of precision guided weapons, or at least aren't using a lot of them, which would be required for high altitude bombing, so maybe that's a factor too. I.e., they have no choice but to fly low with strike missions. But then I would argue there's still huge advantage to being able to safely operate in the higher altitudes from an intelligence/situational awareness point. I wouldn't have believed it before, but they seem to be getting a lot of stuff wrong that is just bread and butter to a Western force so I'm inclined to believe it. That makes total sense to me mate even if I’m not totally au fait with the deeper knowledge of a subject you have obviously studied, that’s why I asked Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, Born Hunter said: Playing with fire. It'd turn the tide for them but potentially escalate into something very f***ing serious. It can't happen, but f**k me I'm curious to see how it would play out! Could it be seen as a bloke who on the one hand is asking for our sympathy is also perfectly willing to gamble with all our lives……now, all I need to work out is if that makes him “our friend” or a danger to everyone ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neobliviscaris1776 1,998 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, WILF said: Its a bit tin foil hat I grant you but I wouldn’t put much past these people. I think the tin foil hats are far better suited to those in favour of War and those who actually believe our own mainstream narrative of 'Putin bad.' We've been over these bridges plenty of times where looking back over most Western intervention (invasion) we see the military industrial complex working away constantly and now with publicly accepted terms such as 'Globalism' and 'New world order' who cannot see the 'stepping stones' put into place to realise these goals in the future. It's not by accident we're here 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said: . It's not by accident we're here The most important and true phrase to remember in any discussion involving anything political 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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