scotty12 1,888 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 4 minutes ago, Pewit said: Always the optimist you, so you would prefer to pay even less tax and have even poorer services because they sure as hell won't give us a better service with less tax revenue. The issue real issue you have isn't that taxes don't work, it's how the government manages and allocates those funds. Think you're just a wee bit naive mate I can see now how you couldn't get out your garden during lockdown lol .... no offence 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 2 minutes ago, scotty12 said: Think you're just a wee bit naive mate I can see now how you couldn't get out your garden during lockdown lol .... no offence I was out working son during COVID whilst you were claiming the benefits that I payed for. You should be offering me a blow job at least! Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 8 minutes ago, scotty12 said: How much does it cost to run the nhs a year ? Quick search says around 180 billion, go on? Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,645 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 24 minutes ago, Pewit said: Always the optimist you, so you would prefer to pay even less tax and have even poorer services because they sure as hell won't give us a better service with less tax revenue. The issue real issue you have isn't that taxes don't work, it's how the government manages and allocates those funds. I used to have a new lad here and there work for me who was a total wanker, you would always hear them talking the same crap “if I had £50 more a day I’d be brilliant”……..and here is the fact, no, they wouldn’t….they would still be a wanker except they would be a more expensive wanker…..which is much the same scenario as we see with the NHS ! The trouble with spending other peoples money is that nobody cares about it, it has no value, you just burn it and get more and that’s the way it go’s 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 2 minutes ago, WILF said: I used to have a new lad here and there work for me who was a total wanker, you would always hear them talking the same crap “if I had £50 more a day I’d be brilliant”……..and here is the fact, no, they wouldn’t….they would still be a wanker except they would be a more expensive wanker…..which is much the same scenario as we see with the NHS ! The trouble with spending other peoples money is that nobody cares about it, it has no value, you just burn it and get more and that’s the way it go’s The NHS hasn't always been in these dire straits, do you think it's just a coincidence that with the chronic underfunding by the Tories that it's now at its worst? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,645 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 1 minute ago, Pewit said: The NHS hasn't always been in these dire straits, do you think it's just a coincidence that with the chronic underfunding by the Tories that it's now at its worst? I don’t think funding has anything to do with it at all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,733 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 2 minutes ago, Pewit said: The NHS hasn't always been in these dire straits, do you think it's just a coincidence that with the chronic underfunding by the Tories that it's now at its worst? The nhs has as many people working for it almost as McDonald’s world wide it’s the 5th biggest world wide employer , more than the Chinese national grid , the Indian railway company it’s completely baffling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 12 minutes ago, WILF said: I don’t think funding has anything to do with it at all Why would you say it is mate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 14 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: The nhs has as many people working for it almost as McDonald’s world wide it’s the 5th biggest world wide employer , more than the Chinese national grid , the Indian railway company it’s completely baffling And yet our per capita health spending is lower than most of the developed world. It may not be perfect but it delivers 2nd class healthcare on a 3rd class budget. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 7,957 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, WILF said: So your are not an advocate of fair tax then mate…….and yes, I am upto mischief with my question ! Lol But it isn't fair now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,733 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 3 minutes ago, Pewit said: And yet our per capita health spending is lower than most of the developed world. It may not be perfect but it delivers 2nd class healthcare on a 3rd class budget. So what’s the solution ? the answer is without doubt a more streamlined and accountable organisation. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 (edited) 3 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: So what’s the solution ? the answer is without doubt a more streamlined and accountable organisation. Yes, along with more funding. They haven't only just forgotten how to manage it, mismanagement has likely been an area needing improvement for decades. Edited August 21 by Pewit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,733 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 Just now, Pewit said: Yes, along with more funding. They haven't only just forgotten how to manage it, mismanagement has likely been an area needing improved improvement for decades. I can imagine the middle management in such places are literally robbing a wage Be massively interesting to see what the break down is of actual health professionals ( consultants / surgeons / doctors / nurses ) vs supporting arms ( admin / cleaning / hr etc) I bet it’s horrific Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 Just now, THE STIFFMEISTER said: I can imagine the middle management in such places are literally robbing a wage Be massively interesting to see what the break down is of actual health professionals ( consultants / surgeons / doctors / nurses ) vs supporting arms ( admin / cleaning / hr etc) I bet it’s horrific Likely so, but this will have been going on from the start mate, it isn't nothing new. But, it flourished at one point and you don't have to go that far back to remember that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,645 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 27 minutes ago, jukel123 said: But it isn't fair now! No, it’s not because……everyone don’t pay exactly the same % Then and only then is it truly fair Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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