WILF 46,633 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 (edited) 7 hours ago, Born Hunter said: Not sure I'd really call that project management tbh. That sounds more a business as usual activity. What's the output? I mean a PM would do that as part of an actual project if there wasn't a dedicated team member to handle logistics but it's not exactly representing the value that a PM really brings to an organisation. Not that I'm a project manager but the best ones are experts at stakeholder management. I see it all of the time where directors/VPs are completely misaligned, team members too afraid to voice concerns over feasibility etc etc. Stakeholder management and discipline are all there is too it at it's core. They have a sixth sense for risk too. I suspect we're talking about two very different professionals really. It was a description of a small portion of a wider project, as in: Big company needs to seamlessly move to new location, there’s 500 people to shift, they need all new equipment installed to deadlines and to meet with legal lease breaks / new tenancy agreements / IT needs to seamlessly move servers and all infrastructure / they need to finish work at old location on Friday evening and just walk into a fully functioning new location with everything down to their stapler in the right places on Monday morning or they are loosing millions of pound etc etc etc……it’s multifaceted and involves a lot of people having to deliver key elements at exactly the right time in exactly the right order. Belive me, it’s a project ! Lol Edited April 24 by WILF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, WILF said: It was a description of a small portion of a wider project, as in: Big company needs to seamlessly move to new location, there’s 500 people to shift, they need all new equipment installed to deadlines and to meet with legal lease breaks / new tenancy agreements / IT needs to seamlessly move servers and all infrastructure / they need to finish work at old location on Friday evening and just walk into a fully functioning new location with everything down to their stapler in the right places on Monday morning or they are loosing millions of pound etc etc etc……it’s multifaceted and involves a lot of people having to deliver key elements at exactly the right time in exactly the right order. Belive me, it’s a project ! Lol Yep that’s a project . I’m just used to good PMs really benefiting projects. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,633 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 45 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Yep that’s a project . I’m just used to good PMs really benefiting projects. I’ll give you a true example mate, a bloke I knew set up a relocation firm. He was a salesman with no relevant experience in the field beyond selling people the service. His firm did a relocation for a big solicitors firm in London, on the day it was completed the solicitors had one of their top lawyers flying in from the United States to do a job. One of the relocation lads forgot to plug in this blokes phone in his office…..so he sat there all day and did nothing. The solicitors billed the relocation firm £10,000 for this blokes lost days work ! That’s ten grand because somebody didn’t make sure about details and just assumed it would be ok because they told someone else to do it ! On another job it cost the company moving £150,000 to rent a server room in their old office for 4 days because the IT didn’t get it all sorted in time because the lawyers didn’t sort out the lease in time. Details mate, making sure, talking to everyone and then making sure again all the way along the entire life cycle of a project……most of these tits assume that if you throw in a few nonsense buzz words, send everyone a spreadsheet once in a while, crib about £200 when the jobs worth a million quid and send some emails that it constituents good work and it will all just fall into place, it won’t…..somebody will be going home 15 minutes early to watch the darts or having a holiday in Tenerife on crucial days when they should be doing their bit, you need to know they are going to do that in advance and adjust or everything breaks down. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 3 minutes ago, WILF said: I’ll give you a true example mate, a bloke I knew set up a relocation firm. He was a salesman with no relevant experience in the field beyond selling people the service. His firm did a relocation for a big solicitors firm in London, on the day it was completed the solicitors had one of their top lawyers flying in from the United States to do a job. One of the relocation lads forgot to plug in this blokes phone in his office…..so he sat there all day and did nothing. The solicitors billed the relocation firm £10,000 for this blokes lost days work ! That’s ten grand because somebody didn’t make sure about details and just assumed it would be ok because they told someone else to do it ! On another job it cost the company moving £150,000 to rent a server room in their old office for 4 days because the IT didn’t get it all sorted in time because the lawyers didn’t sort out the lease in time. Details mate, making sure, talking to everyone and then making sure again all the way along the entire life cycle of a project……most of these tits assume that if you throw in a few nonsense buzz words, send everyone a spreadsheet once in a while, crib about £200 when the jobs worth a million quid and send some emails that it constituents good work and it will all just fall into place, it won’t…..somebody will be going home 15 minutes early to watch the darts or having a holiday in Tenerife on crucial days when they should be doing their bit, you need to know they are going to do that in advance and adjust or everything breaks down. I can relate, just not to the generalisation. Like I said, stakeholder management and discipline is all there is to it. With experience you develop a sixth sense for those gaps, whether you're a PM or just work in a similar role in a project environment. Two minutes ago I just took a call on how acceptable it is for product battery life to significantly be reduced in freezing temps, 24 hrs before we commit 6 figures to manufacturing. That's entirely because, for this project, proper governance came way too late. I've seen no PM, waterfall, agile, bad PM and good PM. It's night and day the impact a good PM (of any type or gender) makes. Strictly speaking Agile doesn't have a PM though. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,158 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 Can we not start a separate thread on GEEK SPEAK for all this and get back to how Russia are slaughtering the Ukrainians who are abandoning posts and deserting in there droves or how they are destroying the arms we are supplying at a rate of nots lol 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,633 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 7 minutes ago, Greyman said: Can we not start a separate thread on GEEK SPEAK for all this and get back to how Russia are slaughtering the Ukrainians who are abandoning posts and deserting in there droves or how they are destroying the arms we are supplying at a rate of nots lol Yep, apologies mate, that went off on a sharp deviation I admit. Anyway, back to matters at hand, let’s hope Putin tops that f***ing creep Zelensky soon ! 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 2 years and 400 pages, I'm sure something exciting will happen soon! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,231 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 1 minute ago, Born Hunter said: 2 years and 400 pages, I'm sure something exciting will happen soon! Gamerooster will return from the front line. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,633 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 9 minutes ago, mackem said: Gamerooster will return from the front line. “……….as a bunch of flowers” 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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TOMO 26,041 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 I was getting bored with DC and his building job pics....but all is forgiven DC... And I love how Wilf is trying to join in...f**k off admit it your same as the rest of us lot clueless...lol 1 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 3,007 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 On 23/04/2024 at 09:35, DIDO.1 said: I did a flea spray this morning then fcked it for the day and went fishing, now I'm meeting our kid for a quick pint, then I'll take my lad boxing. We all define 'rich' in different ways No, there is only one way to define a rich life. You pretty much nailed it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,633 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, TOMO said: I was getting bored with DC and his building job pics....but all is forgiven DC... And I love how Wilf is trying to join in...f**k off admit it your same as the rest of us lot clueless...lol Don’t for one second think I am down there with you oiks, I’m special ! Lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,158 Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 On 14/04/2024 at 11:15, chartpolski said: Over 330 ballistic missiles and drones launched; only 7 got through and injured one little girl ! Iron Dome seems very effective and evidently us the Americans , Jordanians and the Saudis shot down missiles fired by the Houthi in Yemen that didn’t make it as far as Isreal. Cheers. Have read on several different news outlets that Israel had lied about the hits they sustained Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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