Russia Ukraine WW3

[Born Hunter 17,751]

32 minutes ago, kanny said:

Ukraine downs Russian hypersonic missile with US Patriot system

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Air-launched missile can reach speeds of up to Mach 10 and is capable of carrying a nuclear...

 

Hypersonics have terrified the west in recent years. This conflict will be such a learning and trialling opportunity in the field of counter-hypersonics.

A lot of peace time competition is bluffing how game changing new technologies would be in a fight. This war is taking a layer of BS away from that and seeing what really works.

[kanny 20,496]

10 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Hypersonics have terrified the west in recent years. This conflict will be such a learning and trialling opportunity in the field of counter-hypersonics.

A lot of peace time competition is bluffing how game changing new technologies would be in a fight. This war is taking a layer of BS away from that and seeing what really works.

Yeah these things were peddled as untouchable, guess not! ...I wonder what is the nationality of the core crews of these patriot systems ? ...

[EDDIE B 3,162]

4 hours ago, kanny said:

Yeah these things were peddled as untouchable, guess not! ...I wonder what is the nationality of the core crews of these patriot systems ? ...

Kanny, do you actually think Ukraine is winning this war? If so, how do you think they are achieving that?

[kanny 20,496]

7 minutes ago, EDDIE B said:

Kanny, do you actually think Ukraine is winning this war? If so, how do you think they are achieving that?

In terms of preventing Russia from achieving its objectives then yes the special military operation has failed miserably upto now , how are they achieving it? With a lot of help ,can they win it outright,  who knows we'll have to see what happens when they go on the offensive,they are clearly gearing up for it..

[Borr 5,819]

I say the arsenal available to russian fighters is their biggest advantage, from what little I've seen the Ukrainian guys in bakhmut seem well trained and effective, if Wagner claims his supplies are diminished then there may well be problems with the Russian invasion, thankfully it's going on in bakhmut rather than Kiev. Either way the west won't allow a Russian victory unless it's a withdraw in the guise of a ceasefire, hopefully Putin and his cronies get whacked sooner rather than later, if Wagner pulls out they'll be another wave of youngsters getting sent to their death against battle hard Ukrainian forces, I'd imagine a large proportion of the prison conscripts have been removed ....

[kanny 20,496]

24 minutes ago, Borr said:

I say the arsenal available to russian fighters is their biggest advantage, from what little I've seen the Ukrainian guys in bakhmut seem well trained and effective, if Wagner claims his supplies are diminished then there may well be problems with the Russian invasion, thankfully it's going on in bakhmut rather than Kiev. Either way the west won't allow a Russian victory unless it's a withdraw in the guise of a ceasefire, hopefully Putin and his cronies get whacked sooner rather than later, if Wagner pulls out they'll be another wave of youngsters getting sent to their death against battle hard Ukrainian forces, I'd imagine a large proportion of the prison conscripts have been removed ....

Bakhmut has been a depleting mission and given what Prigozhin is saying you got to say it's had some success albeit at a cost , from what I've seen the Russians have stopped recruiting from prisons, only smart ones left so your probably right about the green conscripts getting thrown in and more political pressure piled on Putin to defend losses,  losses are much easier to defend politically from the defenders prospective. 

[EDDIE B 3,162]

But would common sense not tell us that a Country with a population of over 140 million, will eventually overcome a Country with a population of just over 40 million. Even with all this help from the West. Surely it's just a matter of time, don't you think?

 Personally, I don't buy the idea of Ukraine having these amazing fighters, that the Russians can't handle. The Russians, just like America, are well used to war. That's what the news outlets tell us, but who in their right mind, would believe a word from them.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,736]

13 hours ago, EDDIE B said:

But would common sense not tell us that a Country with a population of over 140 million, will eventually overcome a Country with a population of just over 40 million. Even with all this help from the West. Surely it's just a matter of time, don't you think?

 Personally, I don't buy the idea of Ukraine having these amazing fighters, that the Russians can't handle. The Russians, just like America, are well used to war. That's what the news outlets tell us, but who in their right mind, would believe a word from them.

Are they though ?? 
 

As a bit of a independent look at the documentary’s on the vice tv channel on you tube , there’s several slightly older ( 10 years ish ) films on reporters tracking Russian soldiers via social media posts , the one thing that screams out is their lack of equipment , training and general soldiery behaviours. In the words of sun tzu , if your enemy is busy destroying them selves , don’t interrupt them 

[Mickey Finn 3,011]

15 hours ago, EDDIE B said:

But would common sense not tell us that a Country with a population of over 140 million, will eventually overcome a Country with a population of just over 40 million. Even with all this help from the West. Surely it's just a matter of time, don't you think?

 Personally, I don't buy the idea of Ukraine having these amazing fighters, that the Russians can't handle. The Russians, just like America, are well used to war. That's what the news outlets tell us, but who in their right mind, would believe a word from them.

Attrition should eventually carry the day. But in wars like this you can win by simply not quitting. Grind the conflict out over a prolonged span of time and the stronger force will quit and go home. Soviets in Afghanistan, The USA and allies in Viet Nam, and latter again in Afghanistan. Let's not forget the Red Sox's vs Major League baseball. 

[Born Hunter 17,751]

47 minutes ago, Mickey Finn said:

Attrition should eventually carry the day. But in wars like this you can win by simply not quitting. Grind the conflict out over a prolonged span of time and the stronger force will quit and go home. Soviets in Afghanistan, The USA and allies in Viet Nam, and latter again in Afghanistan. Let's not forget the Red Sox's vs Major League baseball. 

‘Asymmetric warfare’ wouldn’t exist if size or perceived strength were the only factors in war.

[Borr 5,819]

Weather, finances, public opinion, publicised failures/ propaganda. Technology, big bombs, leadership loses . Lots of reasons that some win and lose, but I don't think there's any winners in war , maybe in the aftermath...

[waltjnr 6,653]

21 hours ago, Borr said:

I say the arsenal available to russian fighters is their biggest advantage, from what little I've seen the Ukrainian guys in bakhmut seem well trained and effective, if Wagner claims his supplies are diminished then there may well be problems with the Russian invasion, thankfully it's going on in bakhmut rather than Kiev. Either way the west won't allow a Russian victory unless it's a withdraw in the guise of a ceasefire, hopefully Putin and his cronies get whacked sooner rather than later, if Wagner pulls out they'll be another wave of youngsters getting sent to their death against battle hard Ukrainian forces, I'd imagine a large proportion of the prison conscripts have been removed ....

Borr you leave the Aresnal out of it ! We fucdek up the league, we deff can't solve Ukraine Russias problems! Lol 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,736]

5 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

‘Asymmetric warfare’ wouldn’t exist if size or perceived strength were the only factors in war.

“Logistics wins wars , not soldiers “

[mC HULL 12,262]

10 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Are they though ?? 
 

As a bit of a independent look at the documentary’s on the vice tv channel on you tube , there’s several slightly older ( 10 years ish ) films on reporters tracking Russian soldiers via social media posts , the one thing that screams out is their lack of equipment , training and general soldiery behaviours. In the words of sun tzu , if your enemy is busy destroying them selves , don’t interrupt them 

that’s what them and china are doing ffs stiff watching the west destroy itself 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,736]

26 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

that’s what them and china are doing ffs stiff watching the west destroy itself 

ah yes , well reminded captain hindsight 

those twin utopias of Russia and china , the epicentres of morals , values and freedom .