Russia Ukraine WW3

[mC HULL 13,857]

4 hours ago, tatsblisters said:

Is this gamerooster .

if it is we will have to start calling him not game rooster  

[Born Hunter 17,828]

3 hours ago, kanny said:

 

This is one of those events that changes or reinforces military doctrines and procurement decisions. Disclaimer, I'm going to bang on about technology and strategy now but I expect 99% of you haven't read this far anyway. 

The UKs carrier strike capability has all the sexy flash bits but is really lacking in actual 'strike', i.e. missiles! The fast air component is made up of stealth F-35 jump jets and they are destined to be equipped with the new SPEAR 3 missile. This will be their primary strike weapon, but it's essentially an anti tank weapon, a really smart 100km range mini cruise missile, but still the warhead is literally 10x smaller than a proper full fat ship killing or land attack cruise missile. Delivery of such a 'proper missile' is a decade or more away, so all our eggs are in SPEAR 3 (when it arrives) for basically everything we might want to destroy at standoff distances. Brave decision right?

Well. That video there shows a corvette size warship killed by the alleged intelligent placement of an anti tank missile launched from a drone! SPEAR 3 will be able to be fired in salvos, able to autonomously target specific weak parts of a ship (radars, weapons, command and control, aircraft etc), each missile coordinated with the rest to maximise lethality and even have a dedicated electronic warfare variant to provide radar jamming/spoofing for the rest in the salvo improving the chance of them making it through enemy air defences.

This event not only shows how much of a hard time the Russians are having but more significantly backs up the choice of weaponry the UK MoD have opted to arm our 35s with. It's also the first time a drone has killed a warship!

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[tatsblisters 10,405]

4 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

No mate, that’s not him 

Okay mate just hope the lads alright and he has not gone over their tbh.

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Heard tonight fsb insider leaked internal memo ,that fsb want Putin gone, might not be long now if fsb believe him to be a traitor to the russian federation....

[mC HULL 13,857]

On 23/03/2022 at 21:19, chartpolski said:

I'll never make a global economist........I'd of thought Russia would want payment for gas and oil in hard currencies like USD, Euro, GBP, ¥en, to enable them to buy arms and materiel on the international markets ? 

Who would sell to them for payment in worthless rubles ?

Go figure......

Cheers.

 

 

i’ll help you mate been a part time global economist  

russia will sell gas and oil in rouble 

saudi arabia are in talks to sell oil in yuan 

them scummy yanks and there dollar willl be the ones taking the hit unless they do what they always do and go to war  

many more info needed charts i’m here mate

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35 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

i’ll help you mate been a part time global economist  

russia will sell gas and oil in rouble 

saudi arabia are in talks to sell oil in yuan 

them scummy yanks and there dollar willl be the ones taking the hit unless they do what they always do and go to war  

many more info needed charts i’m here mate

You may be wrong about the Saudis though.

The SAR is tied to the USD, but fluctuates against every other currency, including the Yuan.

To move from petrodollars to  petroyuan would mean uncoupling the riyal from the dollar and letting it find its own level, which the Americans would make sure it took a hiding by selling off riyals.

It will never happen though, the Saudi PIF is listed in USD and to uncouple would mean their finances and future planning would take an almighty hit.

All the dollar accounts in Saudi banks would relocate, my grandsons trust fund is in the Saudi British bank in dollars, and although miniscule in the grand scheme of things, would be moved to an off shore account, like many, many others.

No, the Saudis aren't daft, they won't swap the Dollar for the Yuan.

But I'm happy and encouraged that you are thinking more globally than Hull, Salukis and slop

Cheers.

[mC HULL 13,857]

24 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

You may be wrong about the Saudis though.

The SAR is tied to the USD, but fluctuates against every other currency, including the Yuan.

To move from petrodollars to  petroyuan would mean uncoupling the riyal from the dollar and letting it find its own level, which the Americans would make sure it took a hiding by selling off riyals.

It will never happen though, the Saudi PIF is listed in USD and to uncouple would mean their finances and future planning would take an almighty hit.

All the dollar accounts in Saudi banks would relocate, my grandsons trust fund is in the Saudi British bank in dollars, and although miniscule in the grand scheme of things, would be moved to an off shore account, like many, many others.

No, the Saudis aren't daft, they won't swap the Dollar for the Yuan.

But I'm happy and encouraged that you are thinking more globally than Hull, Salukis and slop

Cheers.

america would never allow it would they be finished if it happened 

[Nicepix 5,650]

11 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

This is one of those events that changes or reinforces military doctrines and procurement decisions. Disclaimer, I'm going to bang on about technology and strategy now but I expect 99% of you haven't read this far anyway. 

The UKs carrier strike capability has all the sexy flash bits but is really lacking in actual 'strike', i.e. missiles! The fast air component is made up of stealth F-35 jump jets and they are destined to be equipped with the new SPEAR 3 missile. This will be their primary strike weapon, but it's essentially an anti tank weapon, a really smart 100km range mini cruise missile, but still the warhead is literally 10x smaller than a proper full fat ship killing or land attack cruise missile. Delivery of such a 'proper missile' is a decade or more away, so all our eggs are in SPEAR 3 (when it arrives) for basically everything we might want to destroy at standoff distances. Brave decision right?

Well. That video there shows a corvette size warship killed by the alleged intelligent placement of an anti tank missile launched from a drone! SPEAR 3 will be able to be fired in salvos, able to autonomously target specific weak parts of a ship (radars, weapons, command and control, aircraft etc), each missile coordinated with the rest to maximise lethality and even have a dedicated electronic warfare variant to provide radar jamming/spoofing for the rest in the salvo improving the chance of them making it through enemy air defences.

This event not only shows how much of a hard time the Russians are having but more significantly backs up the choice of weaponry the UK MoD have opted to arm our 35s with. It's also the first time a drone has killed a warship!

Great post.

I would think that an ammunition ship would be at its most vulnerable when it is being unloaded. The spark in a box of fireworks effect.

[Born Hunter 17,828]

56 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

Great post.

I would think that an ammunition ship would be at its most vulnerable when it is being unloaded. The spark in a box of fireworks effect.

Thankyou. Yes, certainly it was a rare target of opportunity. Most warships would/should not expose themselves in such a way. Obviously I'd prefer the addition of a proper ship killing missile with a 500km range and a 300kg warhead, lol, but this incident goes to show what can be done with intelligent targeting of small munitions, and SPEAR 3 stands to be incredibly intelligent in comparison.

Interestingly this type of amphib was abandoned by Western forces years ago. It's designed to literally beach itself with mechanised units driving directly off. Western forces abandoned this because of the vulnerability of putting such a ship within range of shore area denial weapons. Our amphibs sit off the coast and land assault units with dedicated landing craft that the larger assault ship acts as a mother ship to. These days though with the advancement and proliferation of area denial weapons, even these would be at serious risk without a considerable suppression of enemy defences phase before the amphibious landing. Russia can afford to lose the odd ship because they tend to value quantity over quality. 

[Born Hunter 17,828]

Being reported now that it was a ballistic missile used to strike the ship, not a drone strike. So other than education, forget everything I said. 

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30 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Being reported now that it was a ballistic missile used to strike the ship, not a drone strike. So other than education, forget everything I said. 

Fog of war mate ...

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