Russia Ukraine WW3

[DIDO.1 22,844]

16 minutes ago, kanny said:

Nothing,  we are here being critical of our governments and no one is kicking our doors in. I'm not saying we don't have our struggles but nothing like the ultimate state control in Russia and its methods of achieving it.

Your correct when you say everyday Russians have benefited under putin you can see that if you've holiday in Europe the last 15 years but only because putin followed a state capitalism model that's moved towards a mixed market model over the years but he could have well fukt that up now and sent his people back to the 80s 

I can think of two good  reasons Europeans are especially sensitive to this situation

It's this simple for me 

Do I recognise Ukraine as a sovereign  state ...yes

Putin has no right to impose HIS will on any other sovereign state. 

 

Did we/America have a right to impose our will in Iraq? Was the Vietnam war not just a mirror image of the current Ukraine situation? 

My personal opinion is the west want this war....they know they can't loose. The longer it goes on the more the Eastern European countries will look to the west and our 'freedom'. At the minute even the countries in the EU like Poland aren't much use to the globalists....but the more this war pushes them towards us the more we can make them sell their soul to the banks. At the minute those countries grow their own food, own their own houses, mend their own cars etc. The globalists need to destroy their self sufficiency, get them mortgaged up, finance for new cars, credit cards and ultimately own them and their resources forever. 

Hence why they have tried to discredit trump.....he would be straight over there negotiating peace and promising to get back from Russia's Borders, that's how we have had peace since the end of the cold War 

[WILF 47,215]

27 minutes ago, kanny said:

Nothing,  we are here being critical of our governments and no one is kicking our doors in. I'm not saying we don't have our struggles but nothing like the ultimate state control in Russia and its methods of achieving it.

Your correct when you say everyday Russians have benefited under putin you can see that if you've holiday in Europe the last 15 years but only because putin followed a state capitalism model that's moved towards a mixed market model over the years but he could have well fukt that up now and sent his people back to the 80s 

I can think of two good  reasons Europeans are especially sensitive to this situation

It's this simple for me 

Do I recognise Ukraine as a sovereign  state ...yes

Putin has no right to impose HIS will on any other sovereign state. 

 

Not nothing, 7 years……

The rest is a fair enough post mate, I just see it differently

[mC HULL 12,892]

4 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Did we/America have a right to impose our will in Iraq? Was the Vietnam war not just a mirror image of the current Ukraine situation? 

My personal opinion is the west want this war....they know they can't loose. The longer it goes on the more the Eastern European countries will look to the west and our 'freedom'. At the minute even the countries in the EU like Poland aren't much use to the globalists....but the more this war pushes them towards us the more we can make them sell their soul to the banks. At the minute those countries grow their own food, own their own houses, mend their own cars etc. The globalists need to destroy their self sufficiency, get them mortgaged up, finance for new cars, credit cards and ultimately own them and their resources forever. 

Hence why they have tried to discredit trump.....he would be straight over there negotiating peace and promising to get back from Russia's Borders, that's how we have had peace since the end of the cold War 

excellent post dido

[WILF 47,215]

4 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Did we/America have a right to impose our will in Iraq? Was the Vietnam war not just a mirror image of the current Ukraine situation? 

My personal opinion is the west want this war....they know they can't loose. The longer it goes on the more the Eastern European countries will look to the west and our 'freedom'. At the minute even the countries in the EU like Poland aren't much use to the globalists....but the more this war pushes them towards us the more we can make them sell their soul to the banks. At the minute those countries grow their own food, own their own houses, mend their own cars etc. The globalists need to destroy their self sufficiency, get them mortgaged up, finance for new cars, credit cards and ultimately own them and their resources forever. 

Hence why they have tried to discredit trump.....he would be straight over there negotiating peace and promising to get back from Russia's Borders, that's how we have had peace since the end of the cold War 

Fantastic post mate

[WILF 47,215]

50 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

If you read the books sritten by travellers going through Russia you will find that there are tens of millions out of wkfk since the fall of communism.  Just like when the Tories closed the mines and steel works they never replaced the jobs. But unlike the UK there is no social security or health service. The city Russians might be doing OK. But those out in the sticks are abandoned. Hitchens wouldn't come across those.

Disparity exists between rural and urban in every country in varying degrees…..that’s not the sole preserve of Russia is it mate

[kanny 20,632]

21 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

nato usa agreed not to move east a germany kanny 

so are russia just to

let them keep having proxy states closer to russia ? 

was iraq and afghanistan sovereign states 

what give us the right to impose our will on them for 20 year ?

nato usa agreed not to move east a germany kanny 

Things change mate you know there was no NATO  troops in Eastern Europe until 2014 until putin started heading west .

I don't buy the NATO argument  as the reason for this war just the excuse, its just empire expansion in my eyes. 

Your right about  Iraq and afghanistan., I never supported them,  but that's just whataboutism

 

Interesting 

Kyiv existed long before Moscow  ever did 

 

[Nicepix 5,650]

7 minutes ago, WILF said:

Disparity exists between rural and urban in every country in varying degrees…..that’s not the sole preserve of Russia is it mate

Dodging the issue. Hitchens' view on Russia is coloured by him being living in a tiny bubble of similar people who have no concept of the bigger picture. The Russians treated these western journalists to a life that bore no resemblance to the hardships faced by others. And they do that so these quizlings can go back and tell people how wonderful it is. 

 

[Jonjon79 13,358]

1 hour ago, Nicepix said:

If you read the books sritten by travellers going through Russia you will find that there are tens of millions out of wkfk since the fall of communism.  Just like when the Tories closed the mines and steel works they never replaced the jobs. But unlike the UK there is no social security or health service. The city Russians might be doing OK. But those out in the sticks are abandoned. Hitchens wouldn't come across those.

More importantly,  I need to know what your ex SAS ninja black ops astronaut PHD secret service spetsnaz old neighbour thinks about it all

[Nicepix 5,650]

24 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Did we/America have a right to impose our will in Iraq? Was the Vietnam war not just a mirror image of the current Ukraine situation? 

My personal opinion is the west want this war....they know they can't loose. The longer it goes on the more the Eastern European countries will look to the west and our 'freedom'. At the minute even the countries in the EU like Poland aren't much use to the globalists....but the more this war pushes them towards us the more we can make them sell their soul to the banks. At the minute those countries grow their own food, own their own houses, mend their own cars etc. The globalists need to destroy their self sufficiency, get them mortgaged up, finance for new cars, credit cards and ultimately own them and their resources forever. 

Hence why they have tried to discredit trump.....he would be straight over there negotiating peace and promising to get back from Russia's Borders, that's how we have had peace since the end of the cold War 

Tell me that when tens of millions from Nth Africa and the middle east are displaced by famine created by this invasion. Putin's end game is to overwhelm the west by mass migration. He already has half of Europe by the balls with the gas shortage. Wait till the grain runs out. 

[Jonjon79 13,358]

Unlucky son

 

[lurcherman 887 13,176]

1 minute ago, Jonjon79 said:

Unlucky son

 

f***ing to right mental case c*nts 

[mC HULL 12,892]

17 minutes ago, kanny said:

nato usa agreed not to move east a germany kanny 

Things change mate you know there was no NATO  troops in Eastern Europe until 2014 until putin started heading west .

I don't buy the NATO argument  as the reason for this war just the excuse, its just empire expansion in my eyes. 

Your right about  Iraq and afghanistan., I never supported them,  but that's just whataboutism

 

Interesting 

Kyiv existed long before Moscow  ever did 

 

things do change mate but we know if we go east putin has to go to war putin got involved when the zelensky started cutting off water and shelling 

it is empire expansion by the west mate 

[kanny 20,632]

18 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Did we/America have a right to impose our will in Iraq? Was the Vietnam war not just a mirror image of the current Ukraine situation? 

My personal opinion is the west want this war....they know they can't loose. The longer it goes on the more the Eastern European countries will look to the west and our 'freedom'. At the minute even the countries in the EU like Poland aren't much use to the globalists....but the more this war pushes them towards us the more we can make them sell their soul to the banks. At the minute those countries grow their own food, own their own houses, mend their own cars etc. The globalists need to destroy their self sufficiency, get them mortgaged up, finance for new cars, credit cards and ultimately own them and their resources forever. 

Hence why they have tried to discredit trump.....he would be straight over there negotiating peace and promising to get back from Russia's Borders, that's how we have had peace since the end of the cold War 

Yet its Russian artillery flattening  European cities  

I didn't agree with the sand wars as I've said 

If the Ukrainian people believe that the globalist model is for them then so be it ,they have the potential to be a power player,  its not all bad it has a lot of positives,  it's about weighing them up I guess. 

Just for balance if russia got invaded I'd be equally critical, I just see this as a unjust war, a proxy war for putins empire expansion. 

[mackem 26,809]

9 minutes ago, Jonjon79 said:

Unlucky son

 

Ivor knackeroff

[king 11,972]

Has gamerooster gone to Ukraine..