Russia Ukraine WW3

[chartpolski 23,657]

12 minutes ago, sandymere said:

You're quoting Carol Cadwalladr ? Really ?

C'mon Sandy, she's been found to be a liar in court with her fake news about Russia funding Arron Banks and the Brexit campaign.

She had no proof whatsoever, but her hatred of Brexit didn't stop her from peddling fake news and lies.

Not the best source to quote, mate.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/carole-cadwalladr-should-now-return-her-orwell-prize

Cheers.

[NEWKID 27,159]

Is there anything that isn't the tories fault?

Covid, brexit, Ukraine/Russia...

What would Labour do with all of this?? My bet not alot better..

[chartpolski 23,657]

1 minute ago, NEWKID said:

Is there anything that isn't the tories fault?

Covid, brexit, Ukraine/Russia...

What would Labour do with all of this?? My bet not alot better..

Corbyn asked the Defence Secretary, in parliament yesterday, if NATO would reduce its presence in Europe.

Dianne Abbott said the other day; " NATO is the  aggressor here, not Russia" !

Fair enough, the new Labour Shadow Defence Spkesman said "they are irrelevant ", but they are both still MP's, and many on the left have the same deluded views !

Cheers.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Would it be unworkable for a country to be admitted to NATO, i.e., protected by article 5, but with the condition that no NATO assets will be deployed in that country?

Ukraine would have the powerful NATO assurance of protection and Russia would not have NATO forces deployed on it's Ukrainian border.

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

Just the establishment repeating itself. If it keeps working why change it, we've been here before, nothing new, just like when they gave us the Afghanistan distraction a few months back. Anything to divert attention from our own shores whilst we experience some of the worse post medical effects history has ever witnessed. 

Yes, let's keep watching the Ukrainian crisis!lol

[chartpolski 23,657]

4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Would it be unworkable for a country to be admitted to NATO, i.e., protected by article 5, but with the condition that no NATO assets will be deployed in that country?

Ukraine would have the powerful NATO assurance of protection and Russia would not have NATO forces deployed on it's Ukrainian border.

I don't think that would be feasible, for two reasons;

1: It would create a two tier NATO and undermine solidarity. Other NATO countries might also "want their cake and eat it", demanding NATO protection guarantees without the obligations.

2: The Russians would still see it as NATO eastern expansion and reject it.

Cheers.

[socks 32,253]

Ukrain will not be part of NATO as all countries within NATO have to agree to a new member and the Hungarian premier for one supports Russia. 

[Born Hunter 17,763]

33 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I don't think that would be feasible, for two reasons;

1: It would create a two tier NATO and undermine solidarity. Other NATO countries might also "want their cake and eat it", demanding NATO protection guarantees without the obligations.

2: The Russians would still see it as NATO eastern expansion and reject it.

Cheers.

I agree but compromise has to be found. Neither side can maintain their preferable position and expect it to be costless. 

[NEWKID 27,159]

53 minutes ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Just the establishment repeating itself. If it keeps working why change it, we've been here before, nothing new, just like when they gave us the Afghanistan distraction a few months back. Anything to divert attention from our own shores whilst we experience some of the worse post medical effects history has ever witnessed. 

Yes, let's keep watching the Ukrainian crisis!lol

So now Russia has staged an invasion on Ukraine to divert attention from the world wide covid vaccine roll out ...okey dokey

[NEWKID 27,159]

2 minutes ago, baker boy said:

They haven't really invaded mate it's old footage, CGI or something similar

Oh yeah... like the hologram planes for twin towers.... got it...lol

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

10 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

So now Russia has staged an invasion on Ukraine to divert attention from the world wide covid vaccine roll out ...okey dokey

Have Russia staged an invasion?

Come on, it's surely obvious to the most casual observer of geo politics that this is, for want of a better expression, a time wasting propaganda excercise. 

It will all be forgotten soon. There will be NO war and NO nuclear use of power. There's too much at stake for everyone. 

Do they have to make it look convincing? Of course, just like Covid, just like climate change, just like Afghanistan, just like terrorism, just like this.

It's so old it's new

[NEWKID 27,159]

1 minute ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Have Russia staged an invasion?

Come on, it's surely obvious to the most casual observer of geo politics that this is, for want of a better expression, a time wasting propaganda excercise. 

It will all be forgotten soon. There will be NO war and NO nuclear use of power. There's too much at stake for everyone. 

Do they have to make it look convincing? Of course, just like Covid, just like climate change, just like Afghanistan, just like terrorism, just like this.

It's so old it's new

I'm not disputing how far the escalation will go, I doubt very much that a full scale invasion will happen and certainly not nuclear...

However, it is certainly Russia "flexing their muscles" and certainly nothing to do with taking your eye off the covid vaccine.... 

[WILF 46,862]

We have sold our soul to China and Russia !

We are talking a good job but in reality we don’t do shit because the simple fact is, we can’t !

Why I wonder does the EU want to get it’s greedy hands on Ukraine, couldn’t be something to do with resources by any chance could it ?

I watched that prick Boris yesterday blathering on about how “sanctions will effect us too”…….yeah, that’s what happens when you hitch your cart to hostile foreign powers, sell off the family silver and build houses for aliens all over the land that’s meant to feed you, not that we can feed ourselves anyway because we shipped in 20,000,000 more people that should f***ing be here !! 
 

We voted to sell ourselves out for quick money that don’t exist anyway ! 
Putin is no idiot, he knows he is dealing with a load of gutless pricks who couldn’t care less about their own homelands, Putin cares about Russia and f**k everyone else……if only we had elected people with the same mindset ! 
 

Also, it’s isn’t lost on me how convenient it is that post Covid when a lot of people were having a hard look at the total shit we have put in power in the west and there was a real chance it would trigger change that Biden and western politicians suddenly go and find themselves a war that they are making up excuses to start ! ……..pull the f***ing other one !

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

6 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

 and certainly nothing to do with taking your eye off the covid vaccine.... 

On what basis have you formed that opinion? The Pandemic has done what it was suppose to, many targets achieved with the very young being one of its top priorities. 

[mackem 26,544]

Vladimir Putin, wanting to get on the good side of voters, goes to visit a school in Moscow to have a chat with the kids.
He talks to them about how Russia is a powerful nation and how he wants the best for the people.

At the end of the talk, there is an opportunity for questions.
Little Sasha puts her hand up and says "I have two questions - Why did the Russians take Crimea? And why are we sending troops to Ukraine?
"Putin says "Good questions," but just as he is about to answer, the bell goes off and the kids go to lunch.

When they return to class, the kids sit back down and there is an opportunity for some more questions.
Another young girl, Misha, puts her hand up and says "I have four questions.
My Questions are - Why did the Russians invade Crimea? Why are we sending troops to Ukraine?
Why did the bell for lunch go off 20 minutes early? and where is Sasha?"