gamerooster 1,179 Posted February 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: That’s not really a comparative though when you look at the actual calibre of some of Russia’s forces . some of the American divisions are world leaders in their craft , even discounting the marine Corps specialist units , the yanks have a fearsome war fighter capability compared to any one on the planet . Their adoption of three block war and strategic junior leadership has set the bar for all other military forces . The Americans got there name by dropping 2 nukes, they didn't win in Vietnam, they didn't win in Afghanistan, they can't even beat the cartels. People sleep on russia. And let's not forget they have China on side. The specialist units in America are as you say some of the best in the world, but then again so are the SAS, Spetsnaz and Sayeret Matkal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,695 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 hours ago, gamerooster said: The Americans got there name by dropping 2 nukes, they didn't win in Vietnam, they didn't win in Afghanistan, they can't even beat the cartels. People sleep on russia. And let's not forget they have China on side. The specialist units in America are as you say some of the best in the world, but then again so are the SAS, Spetsnaz and Sayeret Matkal. Not talking about the high speed units Hence the term divisions the skill set and the tech available to the average us soldier is far in advance to what anyone can comprehend who has less than a focused interest. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Not talking about the high speed units Hence the term divisions the skill set and the tech available to the average us soldier is far in advance to what anyone can comprehend who has less than a focused interest. I better sharpen my sword ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 hours ago, gamerooster said: The Americans got there name by dropping 2 nukes, they didn't win in Vietnam, they didn't win in Afghanistan, they can't even beat the cartels. People sleep on russia. And let's not forget they have China on side. The specialist units in America are as you say some of the best in the world, but then again so are the SAS, Spetsnaz and Sayeret Matkal. Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Cartels are not examples of peer on peer or near peer warfare. They're mostly insurgencies, which is a very different a complicated scenario. The Soviets also failed in Afghanistan on this. The greatest example of peer on peer/near peer warfare we have seen in our lives and are likely to see was the Gulf/Iraq wars. Saddam had the fourth largest military force on the planet fielding pretty much all the capabilities of the time. Absolutely no match for an expeditionary US/allied force. What the Americans brings to any warfighting domain is just unrivalled really. But you are right in at least you can't simply compare military spending, it likely under estimates Russia's capability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Also, as for special forces, spetsnaz is a term more similar to 'commando' than what we recognise as tier 1 SFs. Of the Russian spetsnaz units the premier one is probably the Alpha Group. Who were responsibly for at least one monumental hostage rescue f**k up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 10 hours ago, chartpolski said: so expect a fast, limited invasion of Ukraine, probably aimed at the breakaway regions, not total occupation. Just my opinion, of course Cheers. And you were right... Russian armour roles into the contested region of eastern Ukraine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,727 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 The royal irish kicked the taliban asses. Russia grabs the russian supporting regions and the eu grab the rest of ukraine , its not going to go nuclear, and if it does the us will still win 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,431 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, WILF said: I better sharpen my sword ! Bayonets on! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iworkwhippets 12,508 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said: The royal irish kicked the taliban asses. Russia grabs the russian supporting regions and the eu grab the rest of ukraine , its not going to go nuclear, and if it does the us will still win are you joking, if it goes nuclear , say no more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said: The royal irish kicked the taliban asses. Russia grabs the russian supporting regions and the eu grab the rest of ukraine , its not going to go nuclear, and if it does the us will still win Are you forgetting about China ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 45,039 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Russia and China have the sheer numbers to keep sending cannon fodder to overwhelm any American and Eu position on the ground... swarming like ants another repeat of Nam ..there will be no war..like Len said...it will be a land grab for the natural resources of the Ukraine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gypsydog94 4,561 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,695 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Born Hunter said: Also, as for special forces, spetsnaz is a term more similar to 'commando' than what we recognise as tier 1 SFs. Of the Russian spetsnaz units the premier one is probably the Alpha Group. Who were responsibly for at least one monumental hostage rescue f**k up. But , but , Not on call duty though !! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 hours ago, kanny said: Bayonets on! I will only use a claymore and a long bow ! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 45,039 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Boris just announced he's going to freeze the assets of 3 big Russian billionaires that will tell them you f***ing plum Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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