ACD x greyhound

[Bearfoot 1,477]

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Edited February 14, 2022 by Bearfoot

[SheepChaser 8,089]

Over the years I have trained, worked and been around just about every type of stock dog, including collies, Welsh collies, kelpies, huntaways, ACD, Scotch collies, Bearded collies and various x breds of the above. They all come in a variety of types and shapes as well as the good, the bad and the average. There are lots of average dogs of all types.

I currently keep two border collies and a Welsh collie. If I’m honest 95% of the time I can do anything with my collies that I could do with any of the above and probably as well or better than other types of stock dogs, particularly when it comes to sheep. Cattle are a bit different. 
 

Collies are naturally ‘heading dogs’, huntaways, ACDs etc are driving dogs, and kelpies fit somewhere in the middle.

There is nothing like a huntaway to move big big mobs (1000s of sheep or hundreds of cattle).

If you go to Oz, etc then they will use a Kelpie similar to a collie and they are impressive steady dogs, same for NZ. This is also true of huntaways. 
 

Most of the Kelpies and Huntaways you see in the Uk are either poorly bred, poorly trained or poorly handled. I guess its a bit like when we shed patterdales to America..... we sent out also rans. 

People ruin working dogs and strains, not just through silly breeding and showing but also working them badly or having low standards. Quad bikes have dropped the average standard of stock dogs in this country, and generally people think average dogs are something special. When they see a real dog, it opens their eyes. My lot would tie most farmers dogs in knots.

Just a few observations I have made over the years. 

[Ferretman65 2,263]

4 hours ago, moonlighter said:

Why does it have to do something that a collie cross can’t?? Just because a different dog is used.. it’s not because the original dog is inferior… if you wanted a fox dog you could use a Weaton/greyhound….. that’s not because the bull/greyhound is no good, it’s just a different type of dog. 

You Don't need bulls or Wheatons lurchers to do foxes and Iam a big fan of Wheaton lurchers one of the best fox killing lurchers was a collie greyhound dog  I seen and I seen plenty in my day just a different type of dog for the job 

[jackthelad 1,893]

2 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

Your a lucky b*****d we have the chopper out that was sitting outside my gaff

[Black neck 16,017]

6 hours ago, Bearfoot said:

There is nothing a acd or Kelpie can do that my dog cant he has excellent feet bone hes saved my bacon many time way livestock if iam under threat he will warn and bite the livestock the last time he seen a collie or  acd or Kelpie   was  on the telly he is no world beater but he keep anyone alive and maybe even  wilson .

Better than your dog at being Australian by crikey

[Aussie Whip 4,112]

ACD's think for themselves and have a wild streak and primitive prey drive from the dingo blood. Some here are very hard dogs, too hard for the modern breeds of meat and dairy cattle and this is why kelpies are mainly worked here. They do have a place on remote properties with semi wild cattle and are the ultimate guard for your truck. I don't know if they are better as a cross than collie crosses for small game though, maybe tougher but less controllable.

[poxon 5,741]

12 hours ago, Bearfoot said:

That be that pimped up wallet p

I’m no money man mate that bit of lolly was only there to pay for Christmas an my mechanic for a little work on my misses car as I can’t be fecked to repair cars no more I’m not loaded it was only a glory photo for all of 5 minutes it lasted money comes money goes an all that……the wallet looks shit just gathering dust

[poxon 5,741]

I’ll be honest I know nothing of acd xs but can’t imagine them being or doing anything more than a good Lurchers suppose to do that’s used for work Id imagine there like any cross good an bad an the chances of good is the same as any 50/50

[Bearfoot 1,477]

Edited February 14, 2022 by Bearfoot

[Ferretman65 2,263]

Some good information given about this cross on here But I came to a conclusion there no better or No worse the the first cross collie greyhound if you get a good one it's a good one no matter what way it's Breed thank Lads for your help and keep hunting 

[Aussie Whip 4,112]

16 hours ago, fireman said:

The difference i have seen is the ACD will lay it's life down without question for any task given to it,the loyalty is far beyond anything else i have seen and the cleverness and way of looking at a problem and solving it is something else to see.I'm sounding far fetched i know but all i have said is true of both pures and lurcher x's i have seen or owned.If i was stranded on a desert island and there was a ACD with me it'd keep me alive and well,a collie might help me survive...a ADC will stand if front of you and give it's life to not let anything get past it,a collie will run off and bite the ankles from behind,that sort of difference bud..

My mate who's a dog trapper has three Stumpy tailed red cattle dogs that he takes around to attract dogs and also as guards at home. If someone comes in they don't bark but slink up in the shadows to grab the intruders, they are really smart and scary animals the way they want you to come in to get hold of you. If you so much as touch the truck or the owners belongings they will bite. All depends if you want that in a dog.

[Neal 1,873]

13 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

Some interesting comments. I have a wee bit of a personal interest and experience with a variety of stock dogs, and I come at this from a stock working angle but obviously always think about hunting and Lurchers. 
 

 

Some interesting looking dogs. The small red and tan with the yellow collar looks a similar stamp to my pup. Difficult to tell yet as she's less than six months, but seems to be looking to end up like my last bitch i.e. small and gracile, more like they're 1/4 whippet. None of the ones in this photo look anything like Noggin though. When he was a pup everybody thought he was a Rottweiler, even one Rottweiler owner asked what lines he was from as he was "the best looking Rotty" he'd seen.   

[jukel123 8,260]

how would you rate these dogs sheep chaser?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVzbP_oGKlU

[SheepChaser 8,089]

56 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

how would you rate these dogs sheep chaser?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVzbP_oGKlU

It’s funny you ask that. Literally just been chatting to one of the lads who works for me about American cattle collies. I massively rate some of the dogs out there (including the ones in this video). They favour collies out there for cattle work and keep some good, old breeding, similar to what we used to have here. They also have some good sheep working dogs out in some parts.

Worryingly they have started to get seduced by our trialling world, and lots of over priced dogs are going out there from here, to find homes with trialling obsessed women who chase bits of paper .....

Interestingly the use of collies in USA vs Kelpies etc in Oz, suggests that heat tolerance is probably the single biggest factor, whatever the kelpie lads might want to tell you  

Edited February 2, 2022 by SheepChaser

[SheepChaser 8,089]

A very important point as well - is that Kelpies and ACD are totally different dogs. Just both happen to be from Australia. 
 

Another thing - people often say that the antipodean dogs are so independent and able to think for themselves and that collies are robots only good at following commands. That’s just not true. A well trained Kelpie or Huntaway should follow commands and listen, for example I can’t stand the ones that bark constantly and don’t have an off command.  And equally a decent collie that’s not been ruined by the trialling fraternity should be plenty capable of thinking for itself and making working decisions. Hill dogs being a great example.