Aussie Whip 4,127 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Neal said: that a whippet won't take the extra weight of a first cross Do you mean it won't be able the move quick enough? You are just going to get a lighter built cattle dog of the same height where a grey cross will give you a bigger dog with more leg. I think whippets are best crossed with other running dogs or with terriers for rats and ferreting. Better still, leave them as they are, the best pure bred rabbit dog. Edited February 9, 2022 by Aussie Whip 1 Quote Link to post
C.green 3,231 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, scutty96 said: A man I follow on Instagram in Australia crosses stumpy tail cattle dogs with whippets for finding and baying boars, has a small pack of them Something like that be ideal for kicking around with the catty bit of ferreting and that sort of thing wouldnt it. I see in nz they use russels russel cross whippets for boar but gotta say i dont think theyd do much boar wise over our side 1 Quote Link to post
mush 204 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Neal said: This is a genuine question as I have no experience of breeding whatsoever. I've always wondered why it is that people say that a whippet won't take the extra weight of a first cross which is one reason for favouring greyhound blood instead. My "rational" brain says that surely a half whippet half base blood is taking the weight of a dog which is half whippet half base blood rather than a whippet taking the weight of a dog which is all base blood. Does that make sense? As I said, genuine question. Are you talking about 3/4 whippet. Quote Link to post
Neal 1,873 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, mush said: Are you talking about 3/4 whippet. No, just half bred. Sorry, must not have explained myself properly. As I said, my rational brain says that a dog which is half one thing and half something else will be the build of 1/2 one parent and 1/2 the other, carrying the weight of 1/2 one parent and 1/2 the other. Sorry...that still doesn't quite sum up what I mean. Maybe somebody with a nerd brain like mine will get my drift. You'd think, with me being a retired teacher, that I'd be a tad better at explaining myself. Edited February 9, 2022 by Neal 2 Quote Link to post
Popular Post OldPhil 5,801 Posted February 9, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) Clear as mud Neal I can only talk from a personal (and practical) point of view, and my rabbiting ACD based lurchers, were created from a union of Greyhound x Heeler put to a Hard Blood ,non-ped Racing whippet.... The resulting pups took Deer, Foxes and Hares, and obviously ,rabbits... Personally, I found the hybrid to be less than satisfactory... My initial reason for using Australian Cattle Dog blood was solely to try and breed in, their excellent feet.. I had no other agenda. My F1 hybrids were a great success and seemed virtually indestructible, and paid scant heed to Hampshire's notorious flint. I had many years of work from them, with no problems... Sadly, when I used a phenomenal racing Whippet stud, I gained his amazing pace, but lost those beautiful , fat juicy pads . I remedied this problem, by mating my Half Heeler greyhounds, to first cross Collie greyhounds... These were ideal for my full-time pest control work....I classed them as being perfect Moucher's dogs.. All over now though.... Edited April 28, 2022 by OldPhil 19 2 Quote Link to post
Ferretman65 2,265 Posted February 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, OldPhil said: Clear as mud Neal I can only talk from a personal (and practical) point of view, and my rabbiting ACD based lurchers, were created from a union of Greyhound x Heeler put to a Hard Blood ,non-ped Racing whippet.... The resulting pups took Deer, Foxes and Hares, and obviously ,rabbits... Personally, I found the hybrid to be less than satisfactory... My initial reason for using Australian Cattle Dog blood was solely to try and breed in, their excellent feet.. I had no other agenda. My F1 hybrids were a great success and seemed virtually indestructible, and paid scant heed to Hampshire's notorious flint. I had many years of work from them, with no problems... Sadly, when I used a phenomenal racing Whippet stud, I gained his amazing pace, but lost those beautiful , fat juicy pads . I remedied this problem, by mating my Half Heeler greyhounds, to first cross Collie greyhounds... These were ideal for my full-time pest control work....I classed them as being perfect Moucher's dogs.. All over now though.... So is that speckles pup then 1 Quote Link to post
Aussie Whip 4,127 Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 6 hours ago, OldPhil said: Clear as mud Neal I can only talk from a personal (and practical) point of view, and my rabbiting ACD based lurchers, were created from a union of Greyhound x Heeler put to a Hard Blood ,non-ped Racing whippet.... The resulting pups took Deer, Foxes and Hares, and obviously ,rabbits... Personally, I found the hybrid to be less than satisfactory... My initial reason for using Australian Cattle Dog blood was solely to try and breed in, their excellent feet.. I had no other agenda. My F1 hybrids were a great success and seemed virtually indestructible, and paid scant heed to Hampshire's notorious flint. I had many years of work from them, with no problems... Sadly, when I used a phenomenal racing Whippet stud, I gained his amazing pace, but lost those beautiful , fat juicy pads . I remedied this problem, by mating my Half Heeler greyhounds, to first cross Collie greyhounds... These were ideal for my full-time pest control work....I classed them as being perfect Moucher's dogs.. All over now though.... That's a hard looking lurcher OldPhil almost wolf like. 2 Quote Link to post
Ferretman65 2,265 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 22 hours ago, OldPhil said: Clear as mud Neal I can only talk from a personal (and practical) point of view, and my rabbiting ACD based lurchers, were created from a union of Greyhound x Heeler put to a Hard Blood ,non-ped Racing whippet.... The resulting pups took Deer, Foxes and Hares, and obviously ,rabbits... Personally, I found the hybrid to be less than satisfactory... My initial reason for using Australian Cattle Dog blood was solely to try and breed in, their excellent feet.. I had no other agenda. My F1 hybrids were a great success and seemed virtually indestructible, and paid scant heed to Hampshire's notorious flint. I had many years of work from them, with no problems... Sadly, when I used a phenomenal racing Whippet stud, I gained his amazing pace, but lost those beautiful , fat juicy pads . I remedied this problem, by mating my Half Heeler greyhounds, to first cross Collie greyhounds... These were ideal for my full-time pest control work....I classed them as being perfect Moucher's dogs.. All over now though.... It's never over till the fat lady sings keep going lads Quote Link to post
OldPhil 5,801 Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) On 10/02/2022 at 00:28, Aussie Whip said: That's a hard looking lurcher OldPhil almost wolf like. You are not far wrong there Aussie Edited April 28, 2022 by OldPhil 18 1 Quote Link to post
fireman 10,934 Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 4 hours ago, OldPhil said: You are not far wrong there Aussie Truth is, I originally named this strong pup, Wolf.. I gifted him to an ultra-keen young man, who I knew would push the tyke and give me some honest feedback.. Mad keen, crazy young Bucks, will rarely bother to lie or blag ya, they invariably tell it,... like it is.. He renamed the dark brindle dog, and called him Jake. The reports were always favourable, and after several years roustabout hunting success, my mind was made up. My original aim had always been to produce a lurcher type that could find his quarry, anyplace, anywhere, anytime. However, I knew that somewhere along the way, I was going to use a strong, speedy type hare coursing bitch, hopefully to produce that final, end product. The future looked bright... Unfortunately, my life took a different turn , my Wife became very ill, and the breeding project was consigned to the back boiler. A lot of water flowed under a lot of Bridges and by the time I got back on track, and returned to the Hunting life,...good old Jake had succumbed to old age. My love affair with the Australian Cattle Dog was over, and I returned to my Border collie hybrids... Great times though, and I have never a regretted a single moment of those early years.... Jake must have made a good impression to others as (as you may well know Phil) the man who bred Northernlites bitch had the litter brother to my half x and he named him Jake,a tremendous ferreting dog and a bloody good guard dog to.. 2 Quote Link to post
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