ACD x greyhound

[SheepChaser 8,089]

You’d struggle to beat these two. The black and white bitch, in her day,  was probably the best dog I’ve seen, deffo the best dog I’ve owned. Sadly getting old now and I’ve never managed to get pups out of her. She’s caught plenty of game as well from rats to deer. 

[Luckee legs 471]

20 hours ago, Bearfoot said:

I must apologise folks I thought it says what can a asd or kelpie x  or collie cross do any better than wilson

 

19 hours ago, breeze said:

I've kept collie "types" for the last 25+  year now....must of just dropped lucky lol because i've never had one stalk

Back to the ACD .... a 3/4 bred animal would be more to my liking , as i think the 1/2 crosses come a bit to heavy set / boned to make a fair fist at the work that i like a dog to turn its hand too 

Similar experience, I like collie crosses and over the years have had 3 first X greyhound amongst them. While all of them stalked in the day, it's only when it seemed appropriate and a rush would never have caught anything. It's rarely successful but doesn't bother me. Although I don't do a lot of lamping,  none of them stalked down the beam, they very quickly suss what the game is about and will trundle out to where the beam is pointing

[bird 9,936]

3 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

A very important point as well - is that Kelpies and ACD are totally different dogs. Just both happen to be from Australia. 
 

Another thing - people often say that the antipodean dogs are so independent and able to think for themselves and that collies are robots only good at following commands. That’s just not true. A well trained Kelpie or Huntaway should follow commands and listen, for example I can’t stand the ones that bark constantly and don’t have an off command.  And equally a decent collie that’s not been ruined by the trialling fraternity should be plenty capable of thinking for itself and making working decisions. Hill dogs being a great example. 

from what ive read , and talked to few people over the years , is  that the kelpie and the collie were the same breed that went out ot Oz from Scotland , ok they may have  put bit of acd in the mix, then out crossed back to other border collies, but the kelpie  and collie were same breed at 1st.  ive had border colliex greys that were ok , but not what call tough dogs more so if they had step up a gear, but i did have a kelpie x border collie x grey bitch in the 80s, now ok on paper only 1/4 kelpie , but feck me  she was nothing like my border collie xs , alot more guts in her , dont know about a fox , she take on a bloody  lion   lol, she was light fawn 23 in 50 odd lb   very strong   looked like she got pit in her, but no she genuine   breeding from Dave sleight . her temp was over the top with people and strange dogs, had to be  very careful  with her. so if i wanted a tough type temp , and not the over sensitive  temp you get in alot of border collies , i deff go for a good bred kelpie  to get a good lurcher . just out of interest  what the main difference  with a border collie and a welsh collie , i have tried to pm you, dont know if you got make room for another pm .?  

[Ferretman65 2,263]

1 hour ago, bird said:

from what ive read , and talked to few people over the years , is  that the kelpie and the collie were the same breed that went out ot Oz from Scotland , ok they may have  put bit of acd in the mix, then out crossed back to other border collies, but the kelpie  and collie were same breed at 1st.  ive had border colliex greys that were ok , but not what call tough dogs more so if they had step up a gear, but i did have a kelpie x border collie x grey bitch in the 80s, now ok on paper only 1/4 kelpie , but feck me  she was nothing like my border collie xs , alot more guts in her , dont know about a fox , she take on a bloody  lion   lol, she was light fawn 23 in 50 odd lb   very strong   looked like she got pit in her, but no she genuine   breeding from Dave sleight . her temp was over the top with people and strange dogs, had to be  very careful  with her. so if i wanted a tough type temp , and not the over sensitive  temp you get in alot of border collies , i deff go for a good bred kelpie  to get a good lurcher . just out of interest  what the main difference  with a border collie and a welsh collie , i have tried to pm you, dont know if you got make room for another pm .?  

Did dave sleight breed whippet x greyhound kelpies 

[OldPhil 5,801]

Some lovely dogs on show,.. just my cup of tea

[Ferretman65 2,263]

1 hour ago, OldPhil said:

Some lovely dogs on show,.. just my cup of tea

Phil you have worked Both types of these lurchers what's ur take on them 

[mush 204]

5 hours ago, Luckee legs said:

 

Similar experience, I like collie crosses and over the years have had 3 first X greyhound amongst them. While all of them stalked in the day, it's only when it seemed appropriate and a rush would never have caught anything. It's rarely successful but doesn't bother me. Although I don't do a lot of lamping,  none of them stalked down the beam, they very quickly suss what the game is about and will trundle out to where the beam is pointing

Maybe its how small the fields are 2-5 acres , unless their going full on they dont get anything. A lot of collie x slow right up when a rabbits siting next to the hedge.

Edited February 2, 2022 by mush

[Moocher71 4,050]

3 hours ago, Ferretman65 said:

Did dave sleight breed whippet x greyhound kelpies 

I no he bred kelpie lurchers .

[Bearfoot 1,477]

3 hours ago, OldPhil said:

Some lovely dogs on show,.. just my cup of tea

 

[fireman 10,927]

5 hours ago, Ferretman65 said:

Did dave sleight breed whippet x greyhound kelpies 

His old greyhound stud dog is a grandsire to  Northernlites dog as it goes...

[OldPhil 5,801]

5 hours ago, Ferretman65 said:

Phil you have worked Both types of these lurchers what's ur take on them 

I kinda like them all

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by OldPhil

[Bosun11 537]

47 minutes ago, OldPhil said:

I kinda like them all

 

Bloody Hell... Missed the pic

[Black neck 16,017]

3 hours ago, Bosun11 said:

Bloody Hell... Missed the pic

Gorra be quick in this game lar 

[Neal 1,873]

Dave Sleights first three litters of "kelpie" crosses all had equal amounts of collie and kelpie. The first was from his collie/kelpie bitch (I think called Ruby) mated to a whippet which produced Gem etc. Then he mated (I think) Ruby's brother to his whippet/greyhound which produced Purdey. The third litter (from which I bought my last lurcher Moss) was sired by the same dog to his racing greyhound bitch Tell Nobody. The collie used was (from what I've heard from several different sources) of a particularly good type from Barry Sharpe in Somerset (I think). Obviously I'm, going back several years with these "facts" so some of them could be a tad out. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Neal

[Neal 1,873]

18 hours ago, bird said:

from what ive read , and talked to few people over the years , is  that the kelpie and the collie were the same breed that went out ot Oz from Scotland , ok they may have  put bit of acd in the mix, then out crossed back to other border collies, but the kelpie  and collie were same breed at 1st.  ive had border colliex greys that were ok , but not what call tough dogs more so if they had step up a gear, but i did have a kelpie x border collie x grey bitch in the 80s, now ok on paper only 1/4 kelpie , but feck me  she was nothing like my border collie xs , alot more guts in her , dont know about a fox , she take on a bloody  lion   lol, she was light fawn 23 in 50 odd lb   very strong   looked like she got pit in her, but no she genuine   breeding from Dave sleight . her temp was over the top with people and strange dogs, had to be  very careful  with her. so if i wanted a tough type temp , and not the over sensitive  temp you get in alot of border collies , i deff go for a good bred kelpie  to get a good lurcher . just out of interest  what the main difference  with a border collie and a welsh collie , i have tried to pm you, dont know if you got make room for another pm .?  

You're pretty much spot on. Basically (in my opinion based on a lot of research) the original "kelpies" were a strain of collie (not Border collie). Actually I suppose it would be true to say they were border collies rather than Border collies as they came from the same kind of area (Jedburgh?) as the collies which went on to become the strain known as Borders. I know some came from further north too (Sutherland I think). In the same way that lots of new breeds develop they were simply a small number of similar dogs mated together with the occasional addition of something else. In the case of kelpies the something else was "feared" to be dingo by some, although it kind of became a self-fulfilling prophecy as some people definitely did add some dingo blood later. There is however a theory held by many that the original bitch called kelpie (i.e. the dam of Kelpie who gave the breed its name) was a half bred collie/dingo. Also, once Border collies had become registered, they were also imported and added to the kelpie breeding. However, I'm pretty sure I'm right in thinking that this was done by a few individuals who saw the two breeds as a) one and the same and b) a lucrative business. Meanwhile, a lot of people were slating them for ameliorating the original kelpie lines with Border collie.