Boris VS The Rule Of Law

[Born Hunter 17,751]

10 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

So it bothers you Boris had a pint? Like thats the biggest issue we are currently facing as a country? And a valued reason to destabilise and already rocky government and give power to the other party thats taking bribes from the chinese. Got ya.

For the record he did lead by example. We got drunk in the garden to.

Never mind the biggest issue, I still can't see it is even an issue. Where I lived at the time, my street had a street party! There was a DJ, everyone got hammered, at one point two fellas had a tear up, and the police turned up and didn't seem to have a problem with it. These are people that do not interact daily as part of their work.

Xmas 2020, I can't remember what the crack was with lockdowns or tiers etc but I organised food and drink for all the depts with staff in the office. Only rule was they had to stick to mixing with their colleagues and not be socialising with anyone and everyone.

This Tory jolly was a bad decision simply because the whole country is in a bit of pain, half of which want a reason to hate them, not because they did something most of everyone wasn't doing.

The media have decided it's Bozzas turn and the country are dancing to their tune. Just like when the media decided it was Jezzas turn with the Jew shit.

This be the electorate who we are gonna trust to have the fortitude to 'break the wheel'...

[WILF 46,642]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

Never mind the biggest issue, I still can't see it is even an issue. Where I lived at the time, my street had a street party! There was a DJ, everyone got hammered, at one point two fellas had a tear up, and the police turned up and didn't seem to have a problem with it. These are people that do not interact daily as part of their work.

Xmas 2020, I can't remember what the crack was with lockdowns or tiers etc but I organised food and drink for all the depts with staff in the office. Only rule was they had to stick to mixing with their colleagues and not be socialising with anyone and everyone.

This Tory jolly was a bad decision simply because the whole country is in a bit of pain, half of which want a reason to hate them, not because they did something most of everyone wasn't doing.

The media have decided it's Bozzas turn and the country are dancing to their tune. Just like when the media decided it was Jezzas turn with the Jew shit.

This be the electorate who we are gonna trust to have the fortitude to 'break the wheel'...

There’s a saying in football mate, if you can’t win pretty then you have to win ugly……media driven or not, anything that hurts these people is a good thing imho because we can’t wait for the electorate to win pretty.

jmho of course

[Born Hunter 17,751]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

There’s a saying in football mate, if you can’t win pretty then you have to win ugly……media driven or not, anything that hurts these people is a good thing imho because we can’t wait for the electorate to win pretty.

jmho of course

I'd agree with you if I thought it was winning in any form. We're not hurting them, we're just turning the wheel again.

[Born Hunter 17,751]

5 minutes ago, WILF said:

There’s a saying in football mate, if you can’t win pretty then you have to win ugly……media driven or not, anything that hurts these people is a good thing imho because we can’t wait for the electorate to win pretty.

jmho of course

I do agree it can be done though, Brexit proved that, we tore a spoke out and they really didn't like it. But we weren't dancing to the medias tune there... 

[WILF 46,642]

Just now, Born Hunter said:

I'd agree with you if I thought it was winning in any form. We're not hurting them, we're just turning the wheel again.

I believe it’s a process, there isn’t going to be some fundamental shift over night…..Britain is in for 20 or 30 years of this imho.

But, again jmho, this happens brick by brick, death of a thousand cuts style…..every opportunity to inflict a cut no matter how petty or how pathetic should be taken, after all, that’s what they have been doing for years.

 Keep ramming it in the electorates face ! 

[SheepChaser 8,083]

Here’s a question - folk keep talking about how Brexit was a sign of positive change and action. Other than the flag waving stuff ..... what real world benefits have we seen out of curiosity ? I’m sure there are some I just don’t know what they are off the top of my head. 

[WILF 46,642]

1 minute ago, SheepChaser said:

Here’s a question - folk keep talking about how Brexit was a sign of positive change and action. Other than the flag waving stuff ..... what real world benefits have we seen out of curiosity ? I’m sure there are some I just don’t know what they are off the top of my head. 

The biggest and most obvious imho is that MPs can no longer hide behind Europe for every shit decision, rule, law etc etc……that’s a very big (and healthy) deal imho 

[kanny 20,466]

 

[Born Hunter 17,751]

5 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Here’s a question - folk keep talking about how Brexit was a sign of positive change and action. Other than the flag waving stuff ..... what real world benefits have we seen out of curiosity ? I’m sure there are some I just don’t know what they are off the top of my head. 

Tangible benefits, off hand, AUKUS would be one. That'll be huge for RR up the road.

Less tangible, we have a more simple political system which is entirely accountable to the UK electorate. The more complex a political system the less democratic it is.

[SheepChaser 8,083]

Doesn’t seem like masses of benefits so far .....

Thing I find interesting is the idea that it’s positive now because our politicians don’t have to answer to Europe. But they seem to be doing a great job of doing a terrible job under their own steam.

One of the issues I face this week is the change in subsidy for land to push rewilding which has resulted in lots of wealthy land owners, who have bought large farms to avoid tax (that’s a British thing to) being paid lots of money to kick off their tenant farmers and let the land go to scrub and shit. It’s part of a bit drive to end animal agriculture (something the British gov wants to achieve in next 20 years) and turn the countryside into a play ground for the rich. It’s the same reasons they are going after hunting so hard. And we are all too weak to even realise. 

[SheepChaser 8,083]

The other downside is I think 8/10 of the British public are morons. 

[WILF 46,642]

11 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

In all honesty Im pretty f***ing right wing to be honest. But I tend to take things in the round and try not to get drawn into the ploys that are meant to distract us from the big issues. Being honest, up to now I've always generally voted Tory, unless the particular candidate is just too much to stomach and then I've voted a minority party or spoiled the ballot to show my distaste.

My issue in general is we live in a democracy, and I dont like the fact that lots of folk who are absolute f***ing morons get an equal vote to me and get to take part in deciding the future of our country.

Brexit is currently causing me massive issues and I am quite possibly going to lose my buisness, home etc over it. But I doubt its something which would have even registered to most folk.

I dont really like people, I just want to live in the woods, and farm and hunt my days away. Just need some sort of plague to kill 90% of the rest of the people and id be ok.

I have massive sympathy for your situation mate and this is going to sound horrible (but it’s not personal) but it’s just your turn to be a casualty of war……I am, at least 3 of my close pals are, now it’s your turn.

Many, many people were happy to sit and enjoy the status quo while that country got stripped from under us…..it was torture for me and people like me but we didn’t count because everyone was comfortable and happy.

Now there has been a fundamental shift in the landscape a lot more folks are going to be exposed to the pain, pain they have never previously felt and that is exactly what is needed imho.

[WILF 46,642]

6 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Doesn’t seem like masses of benefits so far .....

Thing I find interesting is the idea that it’s positive now because our politicians don’t have to answer to Europe. But they seem to be doing a great job of doing a terrible job under their own steam.

No, they were always this shit, they just had a big brother to hide behind who you couldn’t elect or throw out.

6 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

One of the issues I face this week is the change in subsidy for land to push rewilding which has resulted in lots of wealthy land owners, who have bought large farms to avoid tax (that’s a British thing to) being paid lots of money to kick off their tenant farmers and let the land go to scrub and shit. It’s part of a bit drive to end animal agriculture (something the British gov wants to achieve in next 20 years) and turn the countryside into a play ground for the rich. It’s the same reasons they are going after hunting so hard. And we are all too weak to even realise. 

All part of the process, if people don’t want to be victims then get to the ballot box and fight back.

[chartpolski 23,216]

We're not sending billions of pounds to an unelected, unaccountable politburo to spend on vanity projects like moving the whole EU shebang between Belgium and France every month, just to keep the french happy !

No doubt the money saved will be wasted by profligate politicians, but I'd rather we might see something of it here, than it disappear into the EU financial black hole that refuses to be audited.

But then again, being a jingoistic, chauvinistic English man, I'd rather be governed by a British government that I can at least have a vote on electing, than a foreign set of Commissioners that I have no say in electing

Cheers.

[Gypsydog94 4,561]

46 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Doesn’t seem like masses of benefits so far .....

Thing I find interesting is the idea that it’s positive now because our politicians don’t have to answer to Europe. But they seem to be doing a great job of doing a terrible job under their own steam.

One of the issues I face this week is the change in subsidy for land to push rewilding which has resulted in lots of wealthy land owners, who have bought large farms to avoid tax (that’s a British thing to) being paid lots of money to kick off their tenant farmers and let the land go to scrub and shit. It’s part of a bit drive to end animal agriculture (something the British gov wants to achieve in next 20 years) and turn the countryside into a play ground for the rich. It’s the same reasons they are going after hunting so hard. And we are all too weak to even realise. 

Apparently if they sign over land for rewilding they lose the agricultural status of the land which leads to no little benefits of death duty etc? Unfortunately if farmers wasn’t making a profitable business before sfp stopped they won’t now!