forest of dean redneck 11,752 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Back on topic didn’t see frank sheardown mentioned quite enjoyed his book when I first got into lurchers. 1 Quote Link to post
SheepChaser 8,089 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Moocher71 said: Yes but these spurs are razor sharp and come in all different sizes and types . Yes mate. I just meant the action of using them probably doesn’t count as an animal using a tool. Eg like a chimpanzee using a length of stick to draw termites out of mounds, or a sea otter using two stones to crack shell fish open. Quote Link to post
Moocher71 4,050 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, SheepChaser said: Yes mate. I just meant the action of using them probably doesn’t count as an animal using a tool. Eg like a chimpanzee using a length of stick to draw termites out of mounds, or a sea otter using two stones to crack shell fish open. I don't think they no they got furnishings "spurs " fitted . And in no way is it like the above using tools to do a task . Quote Link to post
Moocher71 4,050 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, forest of dean redneck said: Back on topic didn’t see frank sheardown mentioned quite enjoyed his book when I first got into lurchers. I got two of his books and he really liked a deerhound x Quote Link to post
SheepChaser 8,089 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 35 minutes ago, Moocher71 said: I don't think they no they got furnishings "spurs " fitted . And in no way is it like the above using tools to do a task . Sorry I think we are crossing wires here. I was saying the Spurs on a fighting cock don’t count as an animal using a tool as like you say they don’t know there are wearing them and are acting as normal. I then gave two alternative examples of animals actually using tools. Quote Link to post
Countryman62 542 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Thanks for replies guys, you’ve all educated me, the cock fighting isn’t really my thing, my favourite bird will always be the one thats been in the oven, back to topic, Frank Sheardown the working long dog and the lurcher training and handling real good reads, I’ve not read em for years but I will begin reading them tonight, thanks for reminding me fodr, atb 2 Quote Link to post
tatsblisters 10,341 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 21 hours ago, Countryman62 said: Think that book is To Olympus and back by Bob Bourne, it’s about Dave Sleight, Dave Platts, Dave Radford and Phil Smalley, it’s a good read, made me chuckle a bit, atb Just downloaded it to my Kindle from Amazon. 1 Quote Link to post
sandymere 8,263 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 22 hours ago, Countryman62 said: Think that book is To Olympus and back by Bob Bourne, it’s about Dave Sleight, Dave Platts, Dave Radford and Phil Smalley, it’s a good read, made me chuckle a bit, atb its not one i've read if anyone has a copy i'd be interested. I'm a great believer in a good book, they are a joy to behold and a joy to hold. 3 Quote Link to post
tatsblisters 10,341 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 17:53, Moocher71 said: It's my delight by Brian vesey Fitzgerald a good read and a favourite of mine as he writes about my family and some of the lurchers they kept back then . Just been looking through the 1978 copy of this book i have and theirs a cracking drawing by Pychford of a vardo with the residents and their lurcher. 1 Quote Link to post
Moocher71 4,050 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 35 minutes ago, tatsblisters said: Just been looking through the 1978 copy of this book i have and theirs a cracking drawing by Pychford of a vardo with the residents and their lurcher. It's a good book ,i like the hare hunting chapters and one about mooching It's not a lurcher book as you no but its a old gem that deserves a place on any field mans book shelf . My copy is from 1940s and if its same picture its a vardo and two people sitting by a fire with two lurchers and a gri grazing , he wrote couple books about the old gypsy people 1 Quote Link to post
Moocher71 4,050 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 3 hours ago, tatsblisters said: Just downloaded it to my Kindle from Amazon. I'm going to try down loading it Quote Link to post
Moocher71 4,050 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 4 hours ago, SheepChaser said: Sorry I think we are crossing wires here. I was saying the Spurs on a fighting cock don’t count as an animal using a tool as like you say they don’t know there are wearing them and are acting as normal. I then gave two alternative examples of animals actually using tools. That's what I was saying ,birds not got a clue and it's just extension to its spurs and the chimp no exactly what it's using the rock for ,maybe it's way I worded it 1 Quote Link to post
SheepChaser 8,089 Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, Moocher71 said: That's what I was saying ,birds not got a clue and it's just extension to its spurs and the chimp no exactly what it's using the rock for ,maybe it's way I worded it As long as we agree 1 Quote Link to post
mackem 27,685 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 11 hours ago, Countryman62 said: Sorry for going off piste a bit but I was talking to a mate about game cocks the other day after reading an earlier post of yours moocher, what he showed me was astounding and shocking at the same time, game cocks going at it in a foreign land, they had little curved knife blades attached to the bottom of their legs and were using them to fight to the death, one cock decapitated it’s opponent but the head didn’t separate from the body until the defeated cocks body hit the ground highlighting how sharp those weapons were that were being used, the term bird brain don’t apply to them game cocks, they were armed with deadly weapons and knew how to use them, another example of animals using tools, atb I have seen literally thousands of fights, never once seen or heard of a bird decapitated, seen them stuck together often enough, seen fights that lasted only a few seconds, but decapitation? 2 Quote Link to post
mackem 27,685 Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 9 hours ago, Moocher71 said: I don't think they no they got furnishings "spurs " fitted . The spurs are bound with tyings and tape, the odd one may peck at the bindings once or twice but most don't seem to notice. Quote Link to post
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